Disney World Tells Santa Lookalike to Hit the Road

I saw a news story on this subject to and they interviewed him and he was wearing just what he had on at the park and it was stupid for them to kick him out. He said they asked him to leave or change. The guy was wearing a red Tshirt and some black pants, No hat or anything, GOSH way to ruin CHRISTMAS. step on the little guy. I could understand this if he was wearing full santa garb and proclaiming it to the world but he only said he was when someone asked so disney is in the wrong on this one IMHO and thats hard for me to say when im such a major supporter of all that disney does.
 

goofyfan13

Well-Known Member
I saw a news story on this subject to and they interviewed him and he was wearing just what he had on at the park and it was stupid for them to kick him out. He said they asked him to leave or change. The guy was wearing a red Tshirt and some black pants, No hat or anything, GOSH way to ruin CHRISTMAS. step on the little guy. I could understand this if he was wearing full santa garb and proclaiming it to the world but he only said he was when someone asked so disney is in the wrong on this one IMHO and thats hard for me to say when im such a major supporter of all that disney does.

The guy told the kids that he was Santa, that alone justifies everything Disney did. Obviously it was more than just a few kids, otherwise Disney more than likely would not have known about it, and in turn done nothing. Stopping for photo ops with kids and signing autographs? I'd have to say that draws a pretty good amount of attention from the autograph seekers.
 

napnet

Active Member
Original Poster
By the way, if you doubt this person is just seeking attention consider this: how did the press find out? Was a reporter just standing there when Disney approached him about stopping his act or was a phone call made?

Yeah, i saw it on our local news here in Tallahassee and they had a Tampa reporter report on it, being the guy is from Tampa... looks like someone was upset and called the press.
 
For all those who site safety as a reason.....who do you think is taking those pictures and allowing the interaction to take place? A child who is very interested in Santa is most likely at an age where they are not wandering off by themselves with their own camera.....and I doubt that the children set a camera on a tripod and set the timer to get that picture with Santa. A parent/adult was most likely the one taking the pictures.

I was in the mall with one of my cousins last fall when we ran into "Santa," she was so excited to see him walking around in jeans shopping at the mall. We didn't approach him or anything, but she was convinced that the real Santa was shopping in our mall.

I disagree with the actions that were taken. The gentleman was not wearing clothing that was vulgar or rude. From the articles that I read he wasn't going around yelling that he was Santa, just responding to questions from little ones. I could understand asking him to stop answering yes, but not to change his appearance.

:xmas:
 

JROK

Member
I wonder if this will effect all the parents that bring their girls dressed up in Princess costumes... CMs are always saying, "Oh look how pretty Snow White is!" when they see them... That ruins the magic for me when I see 50 different Snow Whites a day... Maybe I should write a letter to Disney complaining... Or they should ask them to change their outfit... :hammer:

Maybe it's because I'm not a hardcore 'Disney is the Best' person, I'm siding with Santa on this one. In protest, next year for MNSSHP I'm coming dressed as Santa! :xmas:
 

Nicole

Well-Known Member
Well, as a mom to a 6 year old who still believes, I would hate to be standing next to this guy during the Christmas parade when Santa drives by - especially if the man had told my DD that HE was Santa. Because if this guy next to us in a red t-shirt is the real Santa, then who is the guy in the parade?

I would not have a problem if this guy were in the parks in July wearing a red t-shirt and shorts (assuming the shorts weren't too short, LOL) but during Christmas when Santa is already in the parks, it could ruin the magic for kids. Real Christmas magic, not just Disney magic.

Had he said "oh no, I'm not Santa, I just look a lot like him" that would have been different.
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
I wonder if this will effect all the parents that bring their girls dressed up in Princess costumes... CMs are always saying, "Oh look how pretty Snow White is!" when they see them... That ruins the magic for me when I see 50 different Snow Whites a day... Maybe I should write a letter to Disney complaining... Or they should ask them to change their outfit... :hammer:

Maybe it's because I'm not a hardcore 'Disney is the Best' person, I'm siding with Santa on this one. In protest, next year for MNSSHP I'm coming dressed as Santa! :xmas:

That’s not the point and you know it. In fact, you’re being deliberately misleading & faceitious. Even a small child probably won’t confuse a kid dressed as Snow White FOR Snow White. At the very least, there won’t be a large crowd of kids following that kid dressed like Snow White around. But a grown woman, of an appropriate age, dressed as Snow White, telling guests she IS Snow White, going out of her way to sign autographs AS Snow White, is bound to call attention to management, who would be concerned that, even with the best of intentions, she might say or do something inappropriate. Call a sensitive kid “Dopey.” Call a kid on meds for severe mood swings “Grumpy.” Lead kids towards the ladies’ room because she’s got to go. The sort of stuff CMs are trained to deal with, but a stranger is not. You can bet WDW management would pull that woman aside and ask her to change or at least stop telling people she is Snow White & signing autographs.

Whenever a business hires someone to play Santa, they have to assume liability for that guy in whatever he says or does. I wouldn’t be surprised if, every year, every mall in America has to investigate at least one claim of inappropriate behavior by their Santa. Most of those claims are probably groundless, brought forth by people who are either unstable or looking for a payday. But they still have to be investigated. Now add an unhired Santa into the mix…

(Sorry, for the straw-man arguments, but it’s the hypothetical that WDW has to worry about in a situation like this.)

What happens when someone dressed like Santa walks into someone else’s business? Forget about the reaction of children, think about adults. If you were grocery shopping, and the guy waiting for turkey at the deli in front of you was dressed as Santa, or at least dressed in Santa’s “colors” of red and black and white, and he was TELLING people he was Santa. Your reaction would probably be one of the following.

1: The guy’s crazy. Stay away. Keep the kids away.
2: The guy is coming from (or going to) a paying gig where he played Santa.
3: This store hired a guy to play Santa shopping at our local Piggly Wiggly & interact with the customers. How cute!

Now, no matter what YOU think, SOME people are gonna think #3. They might even let their kids say Hi to Santa, pose for a picture with Mom’s camera-phone (“Daddy, look who WE met in the Piggly-Wiggly!”). Now what if that Santa then said or did something you find wholly inappropriate, or offensive, something you wouldn’t want to expose your child to? The Piggly-Wiggly’s management isn’t REALLY responsible for what this Santa said, but that doesn’t change the fact that some customers will hold them responsible. Maybe try to sue for creating an unsafe environment. It’s a lawsuit they might not win, but still, Piggly-Wiggly management has to deal with ALL the negative PR, people saying they’ll never shop there again because any ol’ child molestor with a white beard could walk in and take a kid to his van down by the river…

Now, other people have made the point that someone probably can’t abduct a child in WDW. Security is too strong, and this guy was making a big enough scene that he wasn’t going to walk off with a kid incognito. They have a valid point. But that doesn’t mean he can’t do some damage. He could’ve said something Anti-Semitic or racist. He could’ve called for a rise against the government (I mean, I do that all the time, but never dressed as Santa ? ) He could’ve grabbed some MILF’s derriere. He could’ve started running, & everyone following him would have resulted in a stampede. At the very least, he could’ve walked smack-dab into the area where someone Disney hired to BE Santa was. (“You confused my kids by having 2 Santas in the same place at the same time! I’m gonna sue!”) Every possible scenario has to go through the minds of WDW’s security and management as they try to decide how to delicately handle a potentially unsafe or awkward situation.

And while we’re visiting the Land of the Potential Lawsuit, riddle me this: This guy sorta kinda dressed Santa-ish didn’t act crazy. What a relief. What if there were a disturbed individual visiting the parks that day who has some obsession or irrational thought about Santa? WDW will have handlers with their hired Santa to protect him if someone has Claus-related issues. This freelance Santa does not. Someone who thinks Santa is the devil tackles this Santa and makes him eat Main Street Curb in front of dozens or hundreds of now-scarred children, who are people going to blame? Who are people going to sue? The crazy guy with no money? The Santa recuperating in the hospital with no insurance? Or Mickey Mouse’s deep-pocketed employer?

We can be wide-eyed and breathless as we talk about the Disney “magic” all we want. Truth is, the magic is as carefully controlled as the lighting & room temperature in a Vegas casino. And if anything occurs to disrupt the control, WDW will take quick steps to neutralize it, minimize its impact & keep their magic going. And someone going out of his or her way to create a large crowd or scene risks WDW losing that control. You claim they should’ve let this guy tell strangers he was Santa. I’m saying, WDW had to prepare for anything to go wrong, they would’ve had to deal with any negative fallout if something bad HAD happened because of someone not trained to be talent “in the Disney way” insisted on making his presence known. If you think they should’ve afforded this guy any courtesy, I say it should’ve been no more than this: offer to buy the guy a new outfit, something that looks even less santa-ish than what he had been wearing, in exchange for him to stop saying he’s Santa and creating a scene.
 

goofyfan13

Well-Known Member
That’s not the point and you know it. In fact, you’re being deliberately misleading & faceitious. Even a small child probably won’t confuse a kid dressed as Snow White FOR Snow White. At the very least, there won’t be a large crowd of kids following that kid dressed like Snow White around. But a grown woman, of an appropriate age, dressed as Snow White, telling guests she IS Snow White, going out of her way to sign autographs AS Snow White, is bound to call attention to management, who would be concerned that, even with the best of intentions, she might say or do something inappropriate. Call a sensitive kid “Dopey.” Call a kid on meds for severe mood swings “Grumpy.” Lead kids towards the ladies’ room because she’s got to go. The sort of stuff CMs are trained to deal with, but a stranger is not. You can bet WDW management would pull that woman aside and ask her to change or at least stop telling people she is Snow White & signing autographs.

Whenever a business hires someone to play Santa, they have to assume liability for that guy in whatever he says or does. I wouldn’t be surprised if, every year, every mall in America has to investigate at least one claim of inappropriate behavior by their Santa. Most of those claims are probably groundless, brought forth by people who are either unstable or looking for a payday. But they still have to be investigated. Now add an unhired Santa into the mix…

(Sorry, for the straw-man arguments, but it’s the hypothetical that WDW has to worry about in a situation like this.)

What happens when someone dressed like Santa walks into someone else’s business? Forget about the reaction of children, think about adults. If you were grocery shopping, and the guy waiting for turkey at the deli in front of you was dressed as Santa, or at least dressed in Santa’s “colors” of red and black and white, and he was TELLING people he was Santa. Your reaction would probably be one of the following.

1: The guy’s crazy. Stay away. Keep the kids away.
2: The guy is coming from (or going to) a paying gig where he played Santa.
3: This store hired a guy to play Santa shopping at our local Piggly Wiggly & interact with the customers. How cute!

Now, no matter what YOU think, SOME people are gonna think #3. They might even let their kids say Hi to Santa, pose for a picture with Mom’s camera-phone (“Daddy, look who WE met in the Piggly-Wiggly!”). Now what if that Santa then said or did something you find wholly inappropriate, or offensive, something you wouldn’t want to expose your child to? The Piggly-Wiggly’s management isn’t REALLY responsible for what this Santa said, but that doesn’t change the fact that some customers will hold them responsible. Maybe try to sue for creating an unsafe environment. It’s a lawsuit they might not win, but still, Piggly-Wiggly management has to deal with ALL the negative PR, people saying they’ll never shop there again because any ol’ child molestor with a white beard could walk in and take a kid to his van down by the river…

Now, other people have made the point that someone probably can’t abduct a child in WDW. Security is too strong, and this guy was making a big enough scene that he wasn’t going to walk off with a kid incognito. They have a valid point. But that doesn’t mean he can’t do some damage. He could’ve said something Anti-Semitic or racist. He could’ve called for a rise against the government (I mean, I do that all the time, but never dressed as Santa ? ) He could’ve grabbed some MILF’s derriere. He could’ve started running, & everyone following him would have resulted in a stampede. At the very least, he could’ve walked smack-dab into the area where someone Disney hired to BE Santa was. (“You confused my kids by having 2 Santas in the same place at the same time! I’m gonna sue!”) Every possible scenario has to go through the minds of WDW’s security and management as they try to decide how to delicately handle a potentially unsafe or awkward situation.

And while we’re visiting the Land of the Potential Lawsuit, riddle me this: This guy sorta kinda dressed Santa-ish didn’t act crazy. What a relief. What if there were a disturbed individual visiting the parks that day who has some obsession or irrational thought about Santa? WDW will have handlers with their hired Santa to protect him if someone has Claus-related issues. This freelance Santa does not. Someone who thinks Santa is the devil tackles this Santa and makes him eat Main Street Curb in front of dozens or hundreds of now-scarred children, who are people going to blame? Who are people going to sue? The crazy guy with no money? The Santa recuperating in the hospital with no insurance? Or Mickey Mouse’s deep-pocketed employer?

We can be wide-eyed and breathless as we talk about the Disney “magic” all we want. Truth is, the magic is as carefully controlled as the lighting & room temperature in a Vegas casino. And if anything occurs to disrupt the control, WDW will take quick steps to neutralize it, minimize its impact & keep their magic going. And someone going out of his or her way to create a large crowd or scene risks WDW losing that control. You claim they should’ve let this guy tell strangers he was Santa. I’m saying, WDW had to prepare for anything to go wrong, they would’ve had to deal with any negative fallout if something bad HAD happened because of someone not trained to be talent “in the Disney way” insisted on making his presence known. If you think they should’ve afforded this guy any courtesy, I say it should’ve been no more than this: offer to buy the guy a new outfit, something that looks even less santa-ish than what he had been wearing, in exchange for him to stop saying he’s Santa and creating a scene.

Outstanding post, I really couldn't have said it any better myself. :wave:
 

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
He sat next to us at Liberty Tree, or someone else w/the same stuff going on. It was lots of fun for all the kids to parade through and stare in awe. He wore a bright red Golf Hat too. He even had Santa business cards.
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
Why not save the kids from all that potential dissapointment and hurt and tell them that Santa Claus is a coke advert, that Disney characters are just short assess in man made fibre suits, the castle is fibre glass and that when you snuff it you rott and are worm food.

Non of this fluffy stuff.
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
Why not save the kids from all that potential dissapointment and hurt and tell them that Santa Claus is a coke advert, that Disney characters are just short assess in man made fibre suits, the castle is fibre glass and that when you snuff it you rott and are worm food.

Non of this fluffy stuff.

What? You no likee the magic? *I* likee the magic. I just happen to think that, for the money I spend to go into WDW, I'd rather enjoy THEIR entertainment than some old attention wh0re who feels the need to inject himself into the carefully calculated day of "magic" Disney prepared. Just like I wouldn't want a Black Sabbath cover band to bust into an a-cappella version of "Iron Man" on Main Street, or cheerleaders to try to do an impromptu version of their award winning cheer in front of the Tower of Terror where people are dropping off strollers & feeding babies. I don't bust into my old open mic nite routine about how Jesus actually died of Type 2 diabetes making our celebration of Easter with chocolate bunnies all the more ironic. And I wonder if most of the people saying "So the guy signed autographs as Santa, what's the big deal" would feel the same way if it were someone gussied up to look like Jesus, telling kids he (or, He) WAS Jesus, signing autographs, posing for pictures, because really, who WOULDN'T want to celebrate their birthday at WDW? And if he was asked to stop, would the same people say "He wasn't dressed exactly like Jesus! I mean, he's got the loincloth on, but he's wearing Skecher sandals, so cut him some slack!" :rolleyes:

There's a time and a place for things to be all about you. When you're at WDW, unless you're a performing cast member, it is not that time.
 
I would want a autograph from Jesus. In fact my friends got a jesus bobblehead and he looks just like Jesus with a beard and sandles so Im sure he wouldnt mind printing up some business cards for you and playing jesus in the park, Heck he might even dawn a loincloth for you.
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
I would want a autograph from Jesus. In fact my friends got a jesus bobblehead and he looks just like Jesus with a beard and sandles so Im sure he wouldnt mind printing up some business cards for you and playing jesus in the park, Heck he might even dawn a loincloth for you.

Yeah, but he insists on signing every autograph "keep on t r u c k i n', J.C." I had cheesy crap like that.

edit: I can't believe t r u c k i n' got deleted. Does it have sime kind of kinky connotation I'm too naive to know about?
 

Tramp

New Member
Bad Santa

COLUMBIA, S.C. — A 55-year-old man dressed as Santa Claus forced an 8-year-old girl to ride in his motorcycle's sidecar for several minutes and was charged with kidnapping, authorities said.

The girl, of Augusta, Ga., and her family stopped at a convenience store off Interstate 20 on Sunday night when they noticed John Michael Barton, dressed in a Santa Claus suit, refueling his motorcycle, police said.

Barton asked the children to come over and look at a stuffed Rudolph he had in his sidecar. Then, he started up his motorcycle and drove away with the 8-year-old girl, authorities said.

The girl's father followed Barton, reaching speeds up to 80 mph and flashing his headlights repeatedly, police said. Barton eventually stopped at a church parking lot and the father picked up his daughter, who was not injured.

Barton was being held at the Lexington County Detention Center on Monday.

"We're really not sure what his motivation was," Lexington County sheriff's spokesman John Allard said. "That's something we're still looking into."



barton_john_michael.jpg
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I'd like to hear disney's side of the story, beings the original source for the story was FOX news.... someone with a history of treating the Mouse like a punchin bag.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
Bad Santa

COLUMBIA, S.C. — A 55-year-old man dressed as Santa Claus forced an 8-year-old girl to ride in his motorcycle's sidecar for several minutes and was charged with kidnapping, authorities said.

The girl, of Augusta, Ga., and her family stopped at a convenience store off Interstate 20 on Sunday night when they noticed John Michael Barton, dressed in a Santa Claus suit, refueling his motorcycle, police said.

Barton asked the children to come over and look at a stuffed Rudolph he had in his sidecar. Then, he started up his motorcycle and drove away with the 8-year-old girl, authorities said.

The girl's father followed Barton, reaching speeds up to 80 mph and flashing his headlights repeatedly, police said. Barton eventually stopped at a church parking lot and the father picked up his daughter, who was not injured.

Barton was being held at the Lexington County Detention Center on Monday.

"We're really not sure what his motivation was," Lexington County sheriff's spokesman John Allard said. "That's something we're still looking into."



barton_john_michael.jpg


Thanks for posting that. I was just about to. I think Disney was right in telling him to stop. Look at that article. What if this happened in Disney World? I'll tell you what would happen:

1. You people who are saying Disney was wrong would come on here yelling that Disney should have stopped him
2. The parents would sue Disney, causing all you who are saying Disney was wrong for stopping him to come on here calling the parents bitter names
3. The media would really be all over the story, thus giving Disney huge bad PR. Do you really want that?

To the people who think Disney was wrong, I hope this article changes your mind. The guy in Disney World didn't hurt anyone, but what if he did? HMMM.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
I wonder if this will effect all the parents that bring their girls dressed up in Princess costumes... CMs are always saying, "Oh look how pretty Snow White is!" when they see them... That ruins the magic for me when I see 50 different Snow Whites a day... Maybe I should write a letter to Disney complaining... Or they should ask them to change their outfit... :hammer:

Maybe it's because I'm not a hardcore 'Disney is the Best' person, I'm siding with Santa on this one. In protest, next year for MNSSHP I'm coming dressed as Santa! :xmas:


Please tell me you are joking? A child dressed as a Princess can never be confused with an adult dressed as a princess. If you are that confused, then, I suggest help. There are doctors out there.
 

Maryssa*

Well-Known Member
Honestly, this isnt anything new.

Disney has always had similar policies regarding "impersonators" (for lack of a better word, not implying intentional impersonation).

Disneyland the park doesnt ever allow anyone over a certain age to wear a disney costume. They hold their Halloween event in the California adventure park specifically because it's easier to watch people there. They don't want to confuse children and have an incident where someone dressed up says or does something "bad."

It's Disney covering their butts, and it makes total perfect sense to me.

Honestly I think this guy is overreacting. He didnt even get kicked out of the park! And as for discrimination, of course other people can wear "festive" clothes; if someone who already physically looks like santa wears them though, there is a difference I think.
 

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