Disney World Tells Santa Lookalike to Hit the Road

JROK

Member
There's been a guy coming to Universal each holiday season for at least the last four years. He looks very similar to Santa and often poses for pictures with children and I've never seen Universal kick him out. I think this is a bit ridiculous. I mean, if the guy doesn't have a CM escorting him and isn't dressed in full Santa garb (which the story never says he was), then why would people think he worked for Disney? There's no safety issue there.

I wonder if Johnny Depp came to the park and people were calling him Jack Sparrow if Disney would ask for him to leave the park or change his appearance.

Geez Disney. Some little kid isn't going to go, "Wait if I just saw Santa there, how'd he get in the parade so fast?" Because every kid knows that Santa has "Santa Helpers" too...
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
I think the clothing issue is bogus. Like the guy's wife said, anyone else can get away with dressing in a red shirt and hat, but not someone who happens to look like Santa. That's outright discrimination. Of course, Disney says it wasn't because of his clothes, but his behavior. It's a good thing we all know Santa isn't the litigous type. :xmas:
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
When I was on my CP last Spring, I remember seeing a Santa lookalike in an ECV and the name on the ECV was actually "Kringle." I wonder if this is the same guy! Also, I think Disney did the right thing in the name of preserving the magic and having complete control over the guest experience.

There's no such thing as complete control over the guest experience. They can kick out Santa, but the parents competing in the Main Street Stroller 400, the guy who yells at his 2-year-old for crying when she sees Mickey, and the teenagers who demonstrate how obnoxious they can be when their parents aren't around are there every day. Santa's just an easy target. :p
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
He wasn't dressed like Santa, that's the thing.


The article mentioned that he was wearing "festive gear." Kinda vague. They may have just been referring to his white hair & beard. Maybe he was wearing glasses. Maybe he was wearing something "Santa-ish," like red pants and suspenders.

Bottom line is, the guy felt compelled to tell kids "I AM Santa Claus." He could've just as easily have said "No, I'm not, but I wish I were!" You have no idea what parents tell kids about Santa, and you have no idea how incredibly stupid some parents can be, and I can easily see some parents wanting to sue WDW because of something some guy who claimed to be Santa Claus did or said while in WDW. Might not be a successful lawsuit, but like I said, there would've been conceivably fewer problems if the guy never claimed to be Santa Claus.

Forget about the possibility of abduction or inappropriate touching of children. This guy, as Santa, could've said anything to these kids, and even though WDW would not have been responsible for any potential ramblings, it would be a PR nightmare to undo damage done by someone who's not an employee. The guy, for example could've said "Yes, I'm Santa, and I bring presents to all good boys and girls...except the Jews and the A-rabs, they can go..." and you can see how it can go from there. Suddenly, everyone's calling him Santa Kramer or or Santa Gibson & genuinely good people will have to explain why Santa's an anti-Semite or racist to their children. Then the guy hired to play Santa comes out and has to deal with angry patrons who are too angry and/or stupid to realize it's not the same Santa.

Sure none of this happened. All that happened was a guy was causing a commotion-a good natured, spirit filled commotion, but a commotion nonetheless-where WDW got concerned that things could escalate. There's a reason why the Disney characters have handlers nearby, it's to assist if kids start dragging down Mickey Mouse to either love him or play with him or see if it really is a mask. This guy, claming to be Santa, didn't really have a handler like that, except maybe hiw fie and who knows how good SHE would be in fending off sugar-crazed kids wanting to meet Santa? It was just a situation that could've escalated, the guy was doing nothing to really solve the problem, like, for instance, say he wasn't Santa. If WDW truly over-reacted, it still was for the better of intentions, and certainly deserves no scorn for it.

EDIT: There is potentially another problem, and perhaps a CM or someone more in the know than I can elaborate.

Because anyone hired to play Santa in WDW doesn't have his face completely covered, it's possible that he's considered Union Talent. Therefore, if someone is walking around claiming he's Santa at the same time a SAG-actor is hired to play Santa, it might create a conflict of interest where the union Santa could argue his job was threatened by "Scab" competition. Ludicrous-sounding, I know, but if there were a union issue, WDW would also have to take action to protect their relationships with the union.
 

mdisney

Active Member
Disney has the right to refuse service to people for number of reasons. So Disney has the right to refuse service for the Santa look alike
 

WDWCPF98

Member
It doesn't seem like we have many laywers as forum members. While I'm not one myself I do that once Disney management discovered a guest was not only attracting the attention of others, but also signing autographs and taking pictures (and we all know how fast lines form in front of characters) they would be "on notice". If a guest was somehow harmed by the impersonator it could be argued that Disney was negelegent in operating their park. Simply by asking the man to stop impersonating Santa Disney is taking a step to protect the park guests. Remember that Disney stated they only asked the man to stop the impersonation (autographs and photo ops). They never asked him to change his apperance.

Did Disney take a step to protect themselves and their guests? Yes.

Did they overact? Not in the least.
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
Remember that Disney stated they only asked the man to stop the impersonation (autographs and photo ops). They never asked him to change his apperance.

That's a good point. His story is different from what the spokesperson said happened. He says he was told to change his appearance, while Disney says he was told to stop saying he was Santa.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
That's a good point. His story is different from what the spokesperson said happened. He says he was told to change his appearance, while Disney says he was told to stop saying he was Santa.

Oh...who to believe?? Santa Clause or Mickey Mouse?
 

elle72688

Member
Being a current Cast Member i can see exactly why this was a problem. IF you dress so realistic similar to any character in the park and people take autographs from him\her, the person may be luring kids into danger(not saying that this guy is though).

During Not-So-Scary, people got banned from the park from wearing Emperor Zurg costumes that were so realistic, and a Osama Bin Laden costumes.



ITA. I was at a MNSSHP this fall that had a very realistic looking Emperor Zurg. The guy had kids lining up in Froniterland before the 2nd parade to take pictures with him (I almost went and got a pic too before I realized he was a park guest). Of course shortly after that I saw him walking away with security.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
ITA. I was at a MNSSHP this fall that had a very realistic looking Emperor Zurg. The guy had kids lining up in Froniterland before the 2nd parade to take pictures with him (I almost went and got a pic too before I realized he was a park guest). Of course shortly after that I saw him walking away with security.

Which brings up a good point.

Is it proper (and even legal) for Disney to be "protecting the magic" of a non-Disney character with the same fervor as a Disney character?
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
It's a spokesman... in other words, PR. Do you *really* think they would say anything about "protecting the guests?" Sometimes you need to read a little between the lines.


While I certainly understand what you are saying, I also feel that you shouldn't try to read too much into what others say as you are trying to put words into their mouths and are ASSUMING that's what they meant. (and you know what they say about people that assume!:lol: )


How are they protecting their guests from someone who happens to look like Santa? Would they kick someone out of the park that happens to look like any other well known celebrity?

Why didn't they just give the guy the VIP treatment and avoid the bad PR?
 

Iakona

Member
While I certainly understand what you are saying, I also feel that you shouldn't try to read too much into what others say as you are trying to put words into their mouths and are ASSUMING that's what they meant. (and you know what they say about people that assume!:lol: )


How are they protecting their guests from someone who happens to look like Santa? Would they kick someone out of the park that happens to look like any other well known celebrity?

Why didn't they just give the guy the VIP treatment and avoid the bad PR?

Very simple, the Disney experience is about the magic. We all kow Disney works very hard at projecting this magic in the best possible way. It is an absolute nightmare to have someone seeking attention by dressing as and telling kids he IS Santa Claus. Way too much potential for ruining the magic for the kids and the guests. This person is an unknown to Disney and and they have no way of controlling his actions and the potential detrimental effects on the Disney reputation if they continued to allow him to do this are real.

They have every right and the responsibility to protect the magic.

By the way, if you doubt this person is just seeking attention consider this: how did the press find out? Was a reporter just standing there when Disney approached him about stopping his act or was a phone call made?
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
By the way, if you doubt this person is just seeking attention consider this: how did the press find out? Was a reporter just standing there when Disney approached him about stopping his act or was a phone call made?

You make some very good pood points. :wave:

If Worley had stopped telling children that he WAS Santa Claus, do you think that Disney would have let him stay in the park?
 

Iakona

Member
You make some very good pood points. :wave:

If Worley had stopped telling children that he WAS Santa Claus, do you think that Disney would have let him stay in the park?

Thanks.:wave:

Did they actually ban him? The 2 articles I read never stated that he was kicked out, only asked that he stop telling the kids he was Santa. It looks to me like he was allowed to stay and chose to go home a drum up some publicity.

"Worley claims Disney officials asked him to alter his appearance so he took off his red hat. However, Worley said he can’t help looking like the Santa. “I look this way 24/7, 365 days a year,” he explained. “This is me.”

Disney managers say they didn’t ban Worley from the park, but simply asked him to stop saying he was Santa.
"
 

SeanC

Member
The news item I saw on a local florida news channel said he had been to the park not dressed as santa and got so many kids asking if he was that he returned the next time dressed Santa-like so he could "have a little fun with it" If he had been in a mickey sweat shirt and jeans and said no i'm not santa disney would have left him alone, IMO. But he was dressed in Santa-like garb and saying he was santa and posing for pictures. Not very good judgement for a park guest. I perform, but I don't get on stage and sing at some else's show, and neither should he! Those with kids chime in as well on the safety issue...

Also not sure if this is bad PR. The news report I saw was done very tongue and cheek, no one accusing Disney of being wrong, just an intereting item of the day that the reporters chuckled at.
 

justducky78

New Member
I can seriously agree with it being a safety and trust issue. i have been to Disney World three times its unbeilievible how much parents let there guard down. What if something happen, Disney would be sued. To me they were covering there butts on this person

Exactly what I was going to say...
 

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