Disney World Law Enforcement Spending Increases

[matt9112]

In light of how many people visit WDW annually, and how bad it would be overall if there was some kind of attack or shooting to happen inside the parks, this is a definitely good thing. And this spending doesn't even move the needle on ticket prices. I don't understand, however, why all guests do not go through the metal detectors, like at Universal and DL.

it's probably in the works but requires alot more infrastructure changes ect due to scope. universal had a choke point already and as a bonus also scans visitors to city walk. Disney has no such place. I think more permanent redesigned check points will allow a nice fluid flow of all guests through detectors.

 

[matt9112]

I know originally it was a headache Disney had no interest in having but with the recent mentality regarding security I'm a little surprised there not creating there own police force with there legal right to do so.

 

[Driver]

That is not true. Depends on the location.

Can you give me an example because not counting Disney Springs I get checked everyday I go to work!

 

[Driver]

They do. But the ones seen most visibly on property are Disney.

I see both everyday

 

[peter11435]

Can you give me an example because not counting Disney Springs I get checked everyday I go to work!

For obvious reasons I'm not going to post specifics on here. But most cast members working in the parks do not get checked except for ID and the occasional random bag check.

 

[Driver]

There are disney security k9 SUV's. And yes they do prop the hood.

https://goo.gl/images/CiYuQ2

https://goo.gl/images/r3pQ7k

Not sure how often you go there but I go there everyday. The OCSD has K-9 units there everyday!!!!! I talk to them I'm not making this up. Nice dogs ! Don't pet them .

 

[Driver]

For obvious reasons I'm not going to post specifics on here. But most cast members working in the parks do not get checked except for ID and the occasional random bag check.

Good idea not to post specifics but the fact of the matter is your guessing or going by old info. Even management gets checked........ ask me how I know!!!!

 

[peter11435]

Not sure how often you go there but I go there everyday. The OCSD has K-9 units there everyday!!!!! I talk to them I'm not making this up. Nice dogs ! Don't pet them .

And Disney has K-9 units there everyday. This isn't some contest. We both know that both have K-9 units present on property. I never said OCSD didn't have them. I was just explaining that Disney operates their own K-9 unit and these are most often the ones seen but obviously not the only ones seen.

 

[peter11435]

Good idea not to post specifics but the fact of the matter is your guessing or going by old info. Even management gets checked........ ask me how I know!!!!

I can assure you i am not guessing and it is not old information.

 

[matt9112]

The magnotometers are worthless because they are only used on randomly selected guests at the main entrances. During heavy traffic through the gates, at best half the guests are screened with them. Those that get randomly selected are often annoyed because they were selected and the guy in front of them were not. It would really be better if they simply screened everyone and did away with the random selection.

will need to increase screening capacity ALOT!

 

[PG 134]

Not sure how often you go there but I go there everyday. The OCSD has K-9 units there everyday!!!!! I talk to them I'm not making this up. Nice dogs ! Don't pet them .

Disney K-9 units wear the dark blue uniforms. OCSO deputies working at parks and Springs are usually there during their "off" time making extra money. Different than Sector 6 which covers roads, resorts, and responds to parking lots on Disney property. There could happen to be a K-9 deputy working any day at parks or Springs but they are not operating as a K-9 officer when doing a park or Springs shift. They are obviously going to use their normal K-9 vehicle to get to the shift and park where Disney wants deputy vehicles parked. Most deputies are consistently at the same place with a few randoms working a location. If for some reason Disney would want the OSCO canine used, they can ask for it but Disney K-9's are used for parks and Springs for normal operations.

I'm curious about the previously mentioned "armed" Disney security.... Almost all Disney Cast Members are to be terminated for carrying any weapon on property. That includes Security. I believe that has something to do with a certain pepper spray incident... Exclusions would be like those who need box cutters for their job or chefs with their personal knife sets. Only armed security that should be on property would be the money truck staff like Guarda and Brinks. Only law enforcement permitted to carry on property would be working Orange County Sheriff's deputies.

 

[Driver]

Disney K-9 units wear the dark blue uniforms. OCSO deputies working at parks and Springs are usually there during their "off" time making extra money. Different than Sector 6 which covers roads, resorts, and responds to parking lots on Disney property. There could happen to be a K-9 deputy working any day at parks or Springs but they are not operating as a K-9 officer when doing a park or Springs shift. They are obviously going to use their normal K-9 vehicle to get to the shift and park where Disney wants deputy vehicles parked. Most deputies are consistently at the same place with a few randoms working a location. If for some reason Disney would want the OSCO canine used, they can ask for it but Disney K-9's are used for parks and Springs for normal operations.

I'm curious about the previously mentioned "armed" Disney security.... Almost all Disney Cast Members are to be terminated for carrying any weapon on property. That includes Security. I believe that has something to do with a certain pepper spray incident... Exclusions would be like those who need box cutters for their job or chefs with their personal knife sets. Only armed security that should be on property would be the money truck staff like Guarda and Brinks. Only law enforcement permitted to carry on property would be working Orange County Sheriff's deputies.

I'm not going to continue....... talking about these things on a forum is not a good idea

 

[larryz]

Good idea not to post specifics but the fact of the matter is your guessing or going by old info. Even management gets checked........ ask me how I know!!!!

"How do you know...?"

 

[PG 134]

I'm not going to continue....... talking about these things on a forum is not a good idea

Disney K-9s existence and uniform are public knowledge (just visit a park and look).
OCSO's existence and Sector 6 on Disney property is public knowledge (OCSO webpage).
Disney's policy on guns entering property (including off duty non-OCSO officers) is public knowledge under prohibited items list.
Video of Disney Cast Member pepper spraying someone is easily found on Youtube.
Guarda and Brinks are one of the many known money service companies used across the country.

All I discussed was what was public information via internet or visiting the property. Main thing I wanted to point out was that OCSO's K-9 dogs aren't used normally on property because there was a lot of back and forth earlier on topic. You are correct that it would probably not be a good idea to discuss more.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Disney does not have armed security on property, nor do they have the ability to stop people on property in their vehicles. Anybody armed you see is either FHP, OCSO or Osceola County. While their agreement with the state does permit them to operate a police force, they have chosen not to do so, for a variety of reasons. Mainly, arresting people is not something Disney, as a brand, wants to be in. Secondly, the amount of legal liability is insane and the press that would result if a Disney security officer fired a weapon into a theme park would be a gigantic mess, particularly if it turned out, as many police shootings do, that there was no cause for the weapon to be discharged.

There's more of a backstory here than many might think. Previously to 1994, Disney security operated as more of a "private police force," conducting investigations, stopping cars, etc. Then an incident happened in 1994 where Disney security chased a guy whose car then ran off the road. The issue was problematic from a legal liability standpoint. However, it opened a much bigger can of worms in that Disney claimed their guards were essentially "night watchmen," and the court ruled as such. However, it was clear they were straddling a very fine line and it was possible that any further issues would force Disney security to be classified as a police force, thus subjecting them to public records laws. Opting to avoid this mess, they completely retooled the security department, where there they took on the mantra of "observe and report." It was also during this time that the security vehicles got orange "security"-type lights, as opposed to the more traditional police red, while the costumes got retooled to be more Disney-esque. From there, they increased their deal with OCSO to have more of an on-property presence.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...68_1_walt-disney-disney-security-disney-world

 

[Bullseye1967]

I know originally it was a headache Disney had no interest in having but with the recent mentality regarding security I'm a little surprised there not creating there own police force with there legal right to do so.

Creating a Police Dept is not like opening up a Dominos Pizza. There is a lot to it. They did do traffic stops years ago when they had police lights on their security vehicles, but a chase and a fatal crashed changed that. If you are a police force you must hire, train, and certify your officers. You have to have your officers go to court for proceedings, as well as having much more liability. Why would they do this when they can hire OCSO, who has many capable officers with great training do it for you. It is a whole different can of worms when you upgrade security to an actual police force.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Disney K-9 units wear the dark blue uniforms. OCSO deputies working at parks and Springs are usually there during their "off" time making extra money. Different than Sector 6 which covers roads, resorts, and responds to parking lots on Disney property. There could happen to be a K-9 deputy working any day at parks or Springs but they are not operating as a K-9 officer when doing a park or Springs shift. They are obviously going to use their normal K-9 vehicle to get to the shift and park where Disney wants deputy vehicles parked. Most deputies are consistently at the same place with a few randoms working a location. If for some reason Disney would want the OSCO canine used, they can ask for it but Disney K-9's are used for parks and Springs for normal operations.

I'm curious about the previously mentioned "armed" Disney security.... Almost all Disney Cast Members are to be terminated for carrying any weapon on property. That includes Security. I believe that has something to do with a certain pepper spray incident... Exclusions would be like those who need box cutters for their job or chefs with their personal knife sets. Only armed security that should be on property would be the money truck staff like Guarda and Brinks. Only law enforcement permitted to carry on property would be working Orange County Sheriff's deputies.

I am not sure where you think you are getting your info but almost 20% of Disney's security officers are armed. There is a very small percentage that are armed uniformed security, and the majority are plain clothes officers. You need to remember back before OCSO was welcome on property they were all that was there. As far as OCSO K9 units working on property, we have all seen them, the vehicles and the dogs. OCSO officers working a detail at Disney are hired off duty to work in uniform with their vehicle since they take them home. Disney pays a premium to K9 officers to work different shifts. I know this because a good friend is one. They take their dogs home at night just like their cars. Do you seriously think the K9 vehicles are empty and the dogs are taking a nap at the officers house?

 

[Bullseye1967]

Disney does not have armed security on property, nor do they have the ability to stop people on property in their vehicles. Anybody armed you see is either FHP, OCSO or Osceola County. While their agreement with the state does permit them to operate a police force, they have chosen not to do so, for a variety of reasons. Mainly, arresting people is not something Disney, as a brand, wants to be in. Secondly, the amount of legal liability is insane and the press that would result if a Disney security officer fired a weapon into a theme park would be a gigantic mess, particularly if it turned out, as many police shootings do, that there was no cause for the weapon to be discharged.

There's more of a backstory here than many might think. Previously to 1994, Disney security operated as more of a "private police force," conducting investigations, stopping cars, etc. Then an incident happened in 1994 where Disney security chased a guy whose car then ran off the road. The issue was problematic from a legal liability standpoint. However, it opened a much bigger can of worms in that Disney claimed their guards were essentially "night watchmen," and the court ruled as such. However, it was clear they were straddling a very fine line and it was possible that any further issues would force Disney security to be classified as a police force, thus subjecting them to public records laws. Opting to avoid this mess, they completely retooled the security department, where there they took on the mantra of "observe and report." It was also during this time that the security vehicles got orange "security"-type lights, as opposed to the more traditional police red, while the costumes got retooled to be more Disney-esque. From there, they increased their deal with OCSO to have more of an on-property presence.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...68_1_walt-disney-disney-security-disney-world

Not sure where you are getting your facts. But security officers in the state of FL that carry a class G rating can can carry a firearm. Disney employs many of these. Off duty law enforcement that are actual Disney employees fall into a different category. Disney also employs a lot of these because the perks are good. Your thoughts on the chase and crash are accurate except that OCSO was not on property till 2007. The Sheriffs you see on property in the parks are hired off duty help. Disney has never opened up the property to be policed by people not in their employment.

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[WDWTrojan]

Not sure where you are getting your facts. But security officers in the state of FL that carry a class G rating can can carry a firearm. Disney employs many of these. Off duty law enforcement that are actual Disney employees fall into a different category. Disney also employs a lot of these because the perks are good. Your thoughts on the chase and crash are accurate except that OCSO was not on property till 2007. The Sheriffs you see on property in the parks are hired off duty help. Disney has never opened up the property to be policed by people not in their employment.

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Honestly, I don't think you have a clue how this process works.

First, private security guards can carry guns legally but Disney does not permit their own security guards to carry guns onto their property, which is the company's right. To be clear, there are a few exceptions but WDW prohibits cast members from bringing guns in their private vehicles to work, let alone clocking in with them. What you have are OCSO deputies who are working overtime, getting paid by OCSO. Disney, in turn, pays OCSO for these deputies' time. Thus, the officers are not on Disney's payroll. If they were, it would open up the can of worms I described earlier, where Disney security personnel are acting as a law enforcement agency. Thus, Reedy Creek is increasing the budget to OCSO, so that they may have more of a staffing presence on property. Please see the original article which led to this thread:
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/disney-world-law-enforcement-spending-increases

I don't know where you are getting YOUR facts but OCSO has been the long-time law enforcement agency supporting Reedy Creek and there have been deputies on hand at each park backstage since at least the 90s. Can't tell you how many times during my many years working there I had to work with the deputies to deal with a law enforcement issue as it related to park guests. The issue with the chase was that, prior to 1994, Disney did not use OCSO for nearly anything, nor did they permit them (or FHP) on property for traffic services, etc. After this incident, they massively cut back on what Disney security was and was not allowed to do, also massively altering their appearance (giving them the "ice cream salesmen" costumes you see today, changing the light bars, etc).

 

[Driver]

"How do you know...?"

I witness it happening