News Disney World Cast Member unions to begin week of negotiations for wage increases, healthcare costs and more

[flynnibus]

Workers used to be given some incentive to continue on in a position; a raise, greater input into decisions, more responsibility, etc. Sadly, it doesn’t really work like that anymore.

It does - or you should leave that company. Problem is many expect the the raises or greater input - while not doing more. Yes, some companies pigeon hole workers with glass ceilings - and in those cases you shouldn't tolerate it and seek better employment. If you've already gotten significant enough experience to be pressing that limit, your job opportunities elsewhere will be better as well.

This is one of the big grievances people have had about Disney - that it's too difficult to advance based on merit. Another reason NOT TO WORK THERE.

 

[MR.Dis]

I share your respect for those who work long, hard hours for low pay.

Unfortunately, this has become so incredibly difficult in today’s marketplace, it’s really no longer an option. Where those unskilled jobs as stepping stones into greater opportunity, companies have (intentionally) made them dead-ends with no room for advancement and no opportunity for growth.

Workers used to be given some incentive to continue on in a position; a raise, greater input into decisions, more responsibility, etc. Sadly, it doesn’t really work like that anymore.

I absolutely disagree. There are more twenty something's than ever still living with their parents just for the purpose of figuring out where they want to go with their futures. The one thing I will never do, is underestimate what someone can do it they put their minds to it. This is still the one country in the world where the individual determines what they want to do. Let us not mistake those who have no interest in striving to do better and accept their lot in life with those who are not satisfied and will work to do better.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

No - it's not.

Source?

 

[flynnibus]

Source?

The economy?
The documented US Government Federal Payscales?
Any number of news articles where public servants are begging for raises in this year's budget cycle? How many would you like?
Want to take a poll on the site and see how many people got merit raises each year?

What is your line of work that you have gotten merit raises (not COLA) each and every year you've had the same role.

 

[Lilofan]

Are you suggesting that hourly pay does not directly related to job performance?
I mean, Disney could staff the parks with Disney Adults™ who volunteer to work for free. I’m sure it would make for a fun environment (for a little while).

Do you suppose those Run Disney volunteers would be willing to work year-round?

Nice fantasy.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

What is your line of work that you have gotten merit raises (not COLA) each and every year you've had the same role.

I just said annual raise, you’re the one trying to put qualifiers on it.

 

[Lilofan]

If frontline pay in America had kept up with executive pay in America everyone would be in a much better place.

Then your $105 and more park one day ticket will be much more than that.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Then your $105 and more park one day ticket will be much more than that.

well my $105 ticket is as high as it is because of the money losing Disney+, so at least it would be going to something worthwhile instead of throwing it down the a Disney+ commode! Haha

 

[flynnibus]

I just said annual raise, you’re the one trying to put qualifiers on it.

And as pointed out MULTIPLE TIMES - If you just want COLA raises for life you're gaining NO GROUND. Do you not understand simple math?

You hired in poor you STAY POOR with COLA raises. Additionally Disney cast already get COLA adjustments when the contracts are agreed upon.

And COLA isn't standard nor automatic everywhere either. So not only are you still wrong, you're chasing the wrong goal too.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

And as pointed out MULTIPLE TIMES - If you just want COLA raises for life you're gaining NO GROUND. Do you not understand simple math?

You hired in poor you STAY POOR with COLA raises. Additionally Disney cast already get COLA adjustments when the contracts are agreed upon.

And COLA isn't standard nor automatic everywhere either. So not only are you still wrong, you're chasing the wrong goal too.

Please do not insult my intelligence.

You are creating goalposts and then you are accusing me of moving them.

You’ve made it clear now that nobody should be stupid enough to work for Disney, and yet you still don’t think Disney should pay more? So I have no clue what your thoughts really are.

 

[flynnibus]

Please do not insult my intelligence.

Then demonstrate some. You advocate people need to get raises for staying around... yet you point at changes in pay that do not do that. Do you even work? I'm not sure how these basic concepts have escaped you as an adult in the work force.

Employee hired in 2010 getting COLA raises each year
makes the same amount of money as
A brand new hire in 2023 to the same job

Your employee that has worked 13 years with the company is no better off than the person who has worked 6hrs for the company.

You think that is 13yrs of promotion or raises?

You are creating goalposts and then you are accusing me of moving them.

No, I'm expecting you to know the actual concepts in play, not just throw around words.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You advocate people need to get raises for staying around... yet you point at changes in pay that do not do that.

Yes, I think a good employee should get an annual raise as well as an annual bonus if the company meets certain financial goals.

I’m not sure what changes I pointed to that contradict that idea.

 

[_caleb]

Then your $105 and more park one day ticket will be much more than that.

OR–and hear me out on this–Disney's top executives get a 5% reduction in their multi-million-dollars-annually salaries to cover the increase in CM pay.

 

[Lilofan]

OR–and hear me out on this–Disney's top executives get a 5% reduction in their multi-million-dollars-annually salaries to cover the increase in CM pay.

April Fools joke early?

 

[Lilofan]

Yes, I think a good employee should get an annual raise as well as an annual bonus if the company meets certain financial goals.

I’m not sure what changes I pointed to that contradict that idea.

If one wants to earn more, apply for promotional opportunities

 

[_caleb]

I absolutely disagree. There are more twenty something's than ever still living with their parents just for the purpose of figuring out where they want to go with their futures. The one thing I will never do, is underestimate what someone can do it they put their minds to it. This is still the one country in the world where the individual determines what they want to do. Let us not mistake those who have no interest in striving to do better and accept their lot in life with those who are not satisfied and will work to do better.

It's not really something to disagree about. The American economy has radically changed in the last 10-15 years. Employers are requiring college degrees for even low-level jobs these days; this didn't use to be the case. As such, an entire generation had to get college degrees, and were offered predatory loans to pay for the 200-400% tuition increases since the 1990s.

Median housing costs have skyrocketed, and greatly outpaced rises in employee pay. This has meant that the younger generation has gone even further into debt or struggled though less stable housing situations than previous generations.

And since Baby Boomers didn't have as many children and are deciding to work into their later years, there are fewer people inheriting generational wealth and little room for younger generations to move up the food chain or even have a seat at the decision-making tables of business or government. Because they're being held in lower levels of employment for longer, they don't have time to accrue savings or retirement like previous generations did.

Is there still opportunity for anyone who is willing to work hard and make good choices? Maybe. But the odds are stacked against workers today more than they've ever been.

 

[mkt]

No - it's not.

At Disney it is.

 

[flynnibus]

At Disney it is.

Depends - aren't most of the union ones you see the negotiated ramp up to the target #?
Are salaried employees given predictable merit increases each year?

 

[mkt]

Are salaried employees given predictable merit increases each year?

I believe they are, but that's not relevant, as this is a thread about Union roles, where raises are already negotiated and guaranteed.

 

[flynnibus]

I believe they are, but that's not relevant, as this is a thread about Union roles, where raises are already negotiated and guaranteed.

Ok, so not 'at disney' - but union roles at disney. And do they get raises if the previously agreed contract doesn't include them? No

So back to the broad claims of TrainsofDisney and how wages work everywhere (and not just in the existing Disney union contracts)... I stand by my statement.