Disney springs not doing so well.....

[LuvtheGoof]

Those tickets were very different... They didn't have any consecutive or expiration limits. Disney was giving you a discount for buying in bulk, a classic 'increase the size of the transaction' incentive. They were incentivizing you to visit more. Why did Disney introduce these new artifical limits if everything was the same as before??

You may be right, but I can't find anything that says they didn't expire. What artificial limits are you talking about?

 

[flynnibus]

OK, so in one sense you seem to say that Disney doesn't care about the competition, because they are number one. Now you are saying that they need to combat the competition. Which is it? They can't both be true.

I said they don't care about the competition? Quote me... because you're confused.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

That has never been the argument presented here at all... so I suggest you either re-read, or bow-out.. because I've never suggested any such thing.

I have read all of the posts, and that is exactly what you are implying with your posts.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

So anyone who has ever bought a product, only bought it because they had a demonstrated need for it? Sorry, this is a fallacy that is ignorant of sales and advertising in general.



That has never been the argument presented here at all... so I suggest you either re-read, or bow-out.. because I've never suggested any such thing.

Except that is what you just said in this reply. If people are buying something they have no need whatsoever for, simply because of advertising, then they have lost free will to decide on their own whether to purchase something or not.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I said they don't care about the competition? Quote me... because you're confused.

My bad. It was someone else. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[flynnibus]

You may be right, but I can't find anything that says they didn't expire. What artificial limits are you talking about?

- Expiration (general - used to limit discounting for bulk purchases)
- Countdown clock aka 14 days of use.. (used to limit the discount application to a PER VISIT strategy)
- Inability to combine tickets at the discounted day rates (you can't take $100 of value and add discounted days to an existing ticket)
- bundling with room packages

A Disney ticket no longer has a set, isolated, value like previous tickets did. They were independent units that carried value you could convert, combine, stack, etc.. They were effectively units of currency. Disney stopped that model out of economic and product strategy motivations. Disney moved to a much more direct influence model with MYW structure and policies.

 

[Matt_Black]

So anyone who has ever bought a product, only bought it because they had a demonstrated need for it? Sorry, this is a fallacy that is ignorant of sales and advertising in general.

On Tuesday, I bought the DVD/ Blu-Ray Combo Package of Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders. While I would argue that there is in fact a burning need for the ridiculous and bizarre crime-fighting antics of Adam West and Burt Ward in this day and age, I no doubt would be in the minority on that.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

w t f does that have to do with anything? Customers aren't the ones designing the product and pricing strategies.. so their input or ability to compare is as relevant as the price of tea in china. I don't you have a clue on what the actual discussion is.. product marketing and strategies..

Actually, I thought the discussion was supposed to be about how well DS is doing. According to my first hand observations last week, it's doing very well.

 

[flynnibus]

Except that is what you just said in this reply. If people are buying something they have no need whatsoever for, simply because of advertising, then they have lost free will to decide on their own whether to purchase something or not.

Sorry, this statement is simply not true and hence no value in a counter point. Being influenced or encourages to make a decision does not mean loss of free will.

Being influenced does not mean someone made the decision for you... nor does making a decision mean you made it without any influences or in total isolation.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

- Expiration (general - used to limit discounting for bulk purchases)
- Countdown clock aka 14 days of use.. (used to limit the discount application to a PER VISIT strategy)
- Inability to combine tickets at the discounted day rates (you can't take $100 of value and add discounted days to an existing ticket)
- bundling with room packages

A Disney ticket no longer has a set, isolated, value like previous tickets did. They were independent units that carried value you could convert, combine, stack, etc.. They were effectively units of currency. Disney stopped that model out of economic and product strategy motivations. Disney moved to a much more direct influence model with MYW structure and policies.

Expiration - could be true - could also be that they new system couldn't handle it without new programming, and they weren't willing to spend the money - could also be that very few people purchased that option, so if people aren't buying it, why offer it. Lot's of possibilities that we don't have all of the information to make a reasoned statement on it.
Countdown - true, and I agree. Except again most of the visitors are buying the number of days that they need, and there is an extremely small minority that spend more than 14 days there, and they should be buying APs.
Combine - confused here. As long as you haven't used all of your days, you can add on at the discounted rate. You don't start back to zero unless you have already used all of your days.
Bundling - well, that is on the consumer to research. I also didn't think there was any price difference in park tickets if you bought them separately or added them to a package.

 

[flynnibus]

Expiration - could be true - could also be that they new system couldn't handle it without new programming, and they weren't willing to spend the money - could also be that very few people purchased that option, so if people aren't buying it, why offer it. Lot's of possibilities that we don't have all of the information to make a reasoned statement on it.
Countdown - true, and I agree. Except again most of the visitors are buying the number of days that they need, and there is an extremely small minority that spend more than 14 days there, and they should be buying APs.
Combine - confused here. As long as you haven't used all of your days, you can add on at the discounted rate. You don't start back to zero unless you have already used all of your days.
Bundling - well, that is on the consumer to research. I also didn't think there was any price difference in park tickets if you bought them separately or added them to a package.

Expiration wasn't a paid option at all - it was like currency, and in fact a currency that didn't depreciate no less because they didn't count what you paid, they counted what you bought (how many days and parks). Expiration as a paid option was a later addition they offered, presumably as a compromise that also netted them up front cash.
(you are only thinking about the MDE transition...)

Countdown.. the point is it constrains the discount to that stay... limiting the use of the discount (and its intented purpose and motivation). It proves Disney isn't just trying to give you cheaper tickets... even tho some see 'my 6 and 7th days are cheaper.. just what I wanted!' - because they focus on the outcome, not how they got there.

Combine - back to the currency discussion.. tickets can no longer be treated as units you can combine. If you take three old 2 day park hoppers.. they will only issue three seperate tickets now. Where this comes into play is imagine you have a pile of 1 day park tickets. You think 'wow, worth $100 each!' and you go and say I want to have a 5 day trip paid with those 1 day park tickets. A 5 day ticket is cheap, I will combine these tickets.. no. Instead what you would get is 5 1day tickets, meaning you would have traded in the full $500 value to get what equates to a much cheaper ticket (5 day ticket).

Bundling is referring to things like length of stay options, coupling party sizes to dining/package options, etc. This one is more in the finer details that aren't universal to all cases.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Expiration wasn't a paid option at all - it was like currency, and in fact a currency that didn't depreciate no less because they didn't count what you paid, they counted what you bought (how many days and parks). Expiration as a paid option was a later addition they offered, presumably as a compromise that also netted them up front cash.
(you are only thinking about the MDE transition...)

True. I just don't remember my tickets from the 80's and 90's being non-expiring.

Countdown.. the point is it constrains the discount to that stay... limiting the use of the discount (and its intented purpose and motivation). It proves Disney isn't just trying to give you cheaper tickets... even tho some see 'my 6 and 7th days are cheaper.. just what I wanted!' - because they focus on the outcome, not how they got there.

Seems like this is just another way to talk about expiration.

Combine - back to the currency discussion.. tickets can no longer be treated as units you can combine. If you take three old 2 day park hoppers.. they will only issue three seperate tickets now. Where this comes into play is imagine you have a pile of 1 day park tickets. You think 'wow, worth $100 each!' and you go and say I want to have a 5 day trip paid with those 1 day park tickets. A 5 day ticket is cheap, I will combine these tickets.. no. Instead what you would get is 5 1day tickets, meaning you would have traded in the full $500 value to get what equates to a much cheaper ticket (5 day ticket).

Hmm, don't remember them EVER allowing this, but will admit that I don't know for sure. I would never give you $500 for them. You purchased 5 one day tickets so you get 5 days. Why do you think you deserve more than that?

Bundling is referring to things like length of stay options, coupling party sizes to dining/package options, etc. This one is more in the finer details that aren't universal to all cases.

OK, but why is that a bad thing?

 

[21stamps]

Expiration wasn't a paid option at all - it was like currency, and in fact a currency that didn't depreciate no less because they didn't count what you paid, they counted what you bought (how many days and parks). Expiration as a paid option was a later addition they offered, presumably as a compromise that also netted them up front cash.
(you are only thinking about the MDE transition...)

Countdown.. the point is it constrains the discount to that stay... limiting the use of the discount (and its intented purpose and motivation). It proves Disney isn't just trying to give you cheaper tickets... even tho some see 'my 6 and 7th days are cheaper.. just what I wanted!' - because they focus on the outcome, not how they got there.

Combine - back to the currency discussion.. tickets can no longer be treated as units you can combine. If you take three old 2 day park hoppers.. they will only issue three seperate tickets now. Where this comes into play is imagine you have a pile of 1 day park tickets. You think 'wow, worth $100 each!' and you go and say I want to have a 5 day trip paid with those 1 day park tickets. A 5 day ticket is cheap, I will combine these tickets.. no. Instead what you would get is 5 1day tickets, meaning you would have traded in the full $500 value to get what equates to a much cheaper ticket (5 day ticket).

Bundling is referring to things like length of stay options, coupling party sizes to dining/package options, etc. This one is more in the finer details that aren't universal to all cases.

This is why you aren't being rational.

You are stuck in the past. Period.

You have to let it go.

Life changes, things change, new rules go in place, prices go up. That's just a fact, and not a Disney Exclusive.

 

[21stamps]

True. I just don't remember my tickets from the 80's and 90's being non-expiring.


Seems like this is just another way to talk about expiration.


Hmm, don't remember them EVER allowing this, but will admit that I don't know for sure. I would never give you $500 for them. You purchased 5 one day tickets so you get 5 days. Why do you think you deserve more than that?


OK, but why is that a bad thing?

It was an option to purchase the non expiring in the 80s and 90s. My parents gave me 20 3 day non expiring hoppers when I turned 18.
I have one left...only 2 days though.
It's linked to my MDE but it will remain there until I choose to use it. This year and last it didn't make sense to use the 2 day, eventually though when we do a Uni/WDW combo it will.

 

[flynnibus]

This is why you aren't being rational.

You are stuck in the past. Period.

You have to let it go.

Life changes, things change, new rules go in place, prices go up. That's just a fact, and not a Disney Exclusive.

It's not about being in the past or against change... its about understand WHY THERE IS CHANGE and where it came from. You clearly are fixated on the outcome alone and either chose to be oblivious to, or incapable of understanding how/why decisions are as they are.

The hilarity is you keep saying I'm the irrational one when you are the one responding with all the emotional retorts. You lack objectivity entirely.

 

[21stamps]

It's not about being in the past or against change... its about understand WHY THERE IS CHANGE and where it came from. You clearly are fixated on the outcome alone and either chose to be oblivious to, or incapable of understanding how/why decisions are as they are.

The hilarity is you keep saying I'm the irrational one when you are the one responding with all the emotional retorts.

I understand the how and why. I make choices based on my thoughts, wants, and needs. Not bc Disney is somehow tricking me into making a choice.

 

[21stamps]

Let me try another relatable example-

When you go to a grocery store and there's a 5 for $5 deal or something.. Let's say you were going to choose another item, but now instead choose one that is included in the promotion. An item that you still liked.

Are they manipulating you? Or are they being a smart business and you both win?

That has been my point the entire time. The consumer is not always the loser...even when they know the how & why.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

It's not about being in the past or against change... its about understand WHY THERE IS CHANGE and where it came from. You clearly are fixated on the outcome alone and either chose to be oblivious to, or incapable of understanding how/why decisions are as they are.

The hilarity is you keep saying I'm the irrational one when you are the one responding with all the emotional retorts. You lack objectivity entirely.

The thing that we have the problem with is you are only stating your opinion on why these changes are made, though you state them as actual fact. In truth, you have no idea unless you were involved in the decision meetings.

 

[21stamps]

People here act like profit is such a horrible thing. It isn't.

I've made a relatively good living off of other people's financial decisions. Does that make me horrible? Am I ripping them off? Do I sleep well at night? I'm not horrible, I'm not ripping them off, and I sleep very well.
All parties involved benefit by the transaction.

This is how the world works.

 

[Bandini]

Let's not forget the charitable donations they make. Those fat cats, giving away money to sick orphans. I'm onto them!

Are you being sarcastic? I hope so. Because Disney's about as benevolent as any other corporation, which isn't saying much.