danlb_2000
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I would argue that Announcement is not part of the construction time line, it is purely a Marketing decision and can be anywhere during the construction process.
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I would argue that Announcement is not part of the construction time line, it is purely a Marketing decision and can be anywhere during the construction process.
lazyboy97o
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Most of these are milestones, and ones like announcement or even groundbreaking are largely ceremonial. They also skip over the months to years of design work that has to occur before construction starts.
Commissioning is a process related to building systems. It is not a given nor does it trigger most warranties as those are tied to substantial completion. A good commissioning is going to start during design and end after occupancy, not just get wedged between substantial completion and occupancy.
BrianLo
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I just don't see how that improves anything. Or why you would hang out on a rumour form if you don't want to hear anything about forthcoming projects. Yes, they shouldn't announce things that they have no plans to complete. But we've seen things come off the rails in all different stages. After permitting. Even after significant site prep work.
How does the company pretending there are no projects when they also are not actively in construction for projects improve this fan communities perception about anything going on right now? It would just magnify everything. I'm happy AND was happy to hear about what they were thinking in 2022, because it gave me some hope they actually were working on things and weren't planning to let the parks languish again for another decade. Plus half of those appropriately labeled announcements as very early were more accurate on things they've actually permitted, worked on and subsequently cancelled in the past.
John park hopper
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When Disney announces they are going to do something it is not a rumor and gives people false hope that yes Disney will follow through --unfortunately many times they don't. When a poster not affiliated with Disney posts something simply on speculation ---that is a rumor
Nubs70
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I agree to a point that the announcement is not a part of the construction critical path. However, it is a symbolic gesture that is a part of the start of the project just as a ribbon cutting ceremony is not the end of the project.
TeriofTerror
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Agreed. The example that always pops in to my mind is BLT. We could clearly see construction happening, but Disney was all, "Pay no attention to the giant building behind the curtain!"
JMcMahonEsq
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When Disney makes an announcement it is a thought, an idea, a plan, which are all subject to change. It’s not binding, it’s not a contract. It might being made for marketing purposes, it might be made to judge interest, or it might be made with the intention of happening and then things change. If certain people somehow think any business announcement someone is binding, then that’s their problem not Disney’s
lazyboy97o
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How many projects in the past decade were announced and didn’t happen not due to the pandemic? How many weren’t part of Evolving Epcot?
LSLS
Well-Known Member
I don't have a running list, but the one that absolutely jumps out to me is that theater. But I think this goes to the real issue with the Blue Sky announcements. People don't take it as a look behind the scenes at things being thrown against a wall that have yet to be worked out (and most likely won't happen), they are taking these as things that are coming. It's why making a big pitch on things not even close to green lit is a bad idea.
Gusey
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Everything announced and cancelled since 2009 (When D23 Expo & Disney Parks Blog began)
- 2009 - Pixie Hollow and Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty meet and greet attractions for New Fantasyland for Magic Kingdom
- 2010 - Hyperion Wharf for Downtown Disney
- 2015 - Scandinavia and Alice in Wonderland attraction at Tokyo Disneyland
- 2017 -
- Main Street Theater at Magic Kingdom
- 4th hotel for Disneyland Resort
- 2018 -
- Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge at Walt Disney Studios Park
- Reflections: A Disney Lakeside Lodge @ Fort Wilderness (Covid Cancel)
- 2019 -
- PLAY! Pavilion at Epcot (Unsure if Covid Cancel as it's only just been removed from Disney's press releases this year)
- Wondrous China at Epcot
- Festival Pavilion at Epcot (Covid Cancel)
- Mary Poppins attraction at Epcot (Covid Cancel)
- Spaceship Earth update at Epcot (Covid Cancel)
- Avengers Quinject attraction at DCA
- 2020 - Harmonious daytime fountain show at Epcot
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John park hopper
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impressive list of we're gonna
Gusey
Well-Known Member
I will say that a lot of those plans were replaced by something else in the end. New Fantasyland was updated to add Seven Dwarfs Mine Train rather than Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty meet and greets. Hyperion Wharf would become the larger Disney Springs project. Scandinavia was replaced by Fantasy Springs. Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge at WDS is to be replaced by another land (rumored to be Lion King), Festival Pavilion replaced by CommuniCore Hall & Avengers Quinjet replaced by Avengers Multiverse?
JMcMahonEsq
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Why would it be a bad idea? These blue sky presentations are made to very small, very niche groups. These aren't large scale announcements being made to the masses. These are basically insider sneak/peaks. When something makes it to ABC for a special presentation or makes it to features on the morning news shows, that's when they are making their mass announcements that they are offering to the world and those plans are locked in. D23 or other types of announcements to the fanatics are more general in nature, just talking about ideas, thoughts, plans. Emphasis on PLANS, these aren't guarantees. In the broad scheme of things D23 can be looked at as a free (hell people are actually paying to go) focus group for Disney. Some things may get green lit, some might not. It lets Disney get feedback and to build a buzz. And it gives people who are interested some thoughts on what is being considered. Nothing less, nothing more.
Gusey
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I think the issue with the 2022 D23 blue sky session was they it originally sounded like they were officially announcing a replacement for Dinoland and Beyond Big Thunder, before they started to say we might do this or we might do that. I remember a lot of Disney news sites saying "Dinsey announces a Zootopia land"/Disney announces a Villains Land, when that wasn't the case.
DCLcruiser
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IIRC, they made it clear that this was all blue sky. Not a finalized project.
Indeed they did.
And the blue sky for DAK was a Moana water ride which was changed out to Tropical America. And that Moana ride is, according to insiders, still happening as being behind PotC.
And the BBTMR blue sky is replaced by some other project, maybe...
Stuff is happening as they announced, but it all shifted. As blue sky is wont to do, by definition of "blue sky."
The only announced thing that seems to have dropped off the radar is Zootopia for Tree of Life.
Disgruntled Walt
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LSLS
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Because of exactly what you see here. You develop a reputation of not following through on things announced, even if they are things that they were just spit balling at this point. You put in expectations or hype, and then don't follow through, people get mad. And all the "We just think this could be a cool idea but we aren't sure we are going to do it" doesn't make the headline. What makes the headline is "Disney looking to build a Villain's Land." Sure, you can blame the media writing the headline, or the consumer for not reading all the way through or tempering their expectations, but that doesn't change the reality that people see it as another "See, another announced thing they aren't doing." It's not about what you say, it's about realizing what the general public sees in the headlines when they look up Disney news.
Which all reminds me, another thing announced was all the interactive elements of Star Wars land that instead was moved to a Star Cruiser paywall.
JMcMahonEsq
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What we see here doesn't matter in any type of business sense. The people who are on this, and other, message board/fan boards for Disney are fanatics so at the margin of the overall Disney customer base that any reaction here can't and shouldn't be considered. The General Public doesn't see or know what goes on at D23, or any special leaks. The general public doesn't talk about E Ticket rides, or how many animatronics were on the old splash vs the new Tianna. They don't engage in hours of discussion on the return of the Disney Magical Express, and if a new Moana ride fits better in AK or MK. The general public books trips to Disney because its where Mickey and Minnie are. Its where they went as a kid, and where they kids can go see Anna and Elsa. The general public gets their "news", to the extent information about an amusement park can be considered news, when there is a Sunday night prime time special on ABC. Or when there is a special segment announcing a new ride/park during the NBA playoffs.
To your point, the general public is not googling headlines for Disney news. Hell given how much AI analytics drive what we are shown on the web, most people who are not already Disney obsessed are not getting Disney centric blogs/posts in their feeds.