News Disney plans to accelerate Parks investment to $60 billion over 10 years

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Advisable Joseph

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Clyde Birdbrain said:
Local WESH news is reporting tonight that Disney is planning a fifth major park and two new minor parks. I don’t see this being reported anywhere else. What are they going on about?

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New parks, hotels, restaurants: What to know about Disney's proposed expansion in Florida

A fifth major theme park would add new firepower in the local theme park wars, with Universal opening its third gate, Epic Universe, next year.
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There's also this recent article from the Orlando Sentinel. (Use desktop mode or a computer.) Dennis Speigel, CEO and "founder of International Theme Park Services, which provides management and development services" talks about the fifth park he has been hearing about.

Jim Hill is also quoted, but he seems confused, claiming something about "decades," which sounds more like DisneylandForward.
 
MisterPenguin

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Advisable Joseph said:
There's also this recent article from the Orlando Sentinel. (Use desktop mode or a computer.) Dennis Speigel, CEO and "founder of International Theme Park Services, which provides management and development services" talks about the fifth park he has been hearing about.

Jim Hill is also quoted, but he seems confused, claiming something about "decades," which sounds more like DisneylandForward.
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Indeed.

The old land use plan had area set aside for a new park if Disney wanted to build it.

The new land use plan has area set aside for a new park if Disney wanted to build it.

Nothing has changed except for people not knowing about the previous land use plan or even what a land use plan is all about and reading into it.
 
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MisterPenguin said:
Indeed.

The old land use plan had area set aside for a new park if Disney wanted to build it.

The new land use plan has area set aside for a new park if Disney wanted to build it.

Nothing has changed except for people not knowing about the previous land use plan or even what a land use plan is all about and reading into it.
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Dennis Spiegel has been telling the news what he has been hearing about a fifth gate since earlier this year, before the reveal of the new development document.

He was inducted into the International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions Hall of Fame in 2022, so he is pretty much an insider.
 
MisterPenguin

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Goofnut1980

Goofnut1980

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James Alucobond said:
I mean, it was also horrendously unsafe and not at all the same thing, but whatevs.
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Oh I understand that. But they hired crews to build. Disney hires 2 Men and a Truck to do it. I can't say I ever saw more than a dozen people working on an attraction except the 25 supervisors standing around watching paint dry.. LOL
 
Goofnut1980

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JMcMahonEsq said:
The absolute insanity of trying to compare construction in the 1930's to now just defies logic. That's setting aside the number of dead and injured during construction
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my point is, Disney doesn't want the job done in a timely manner. They get extra hype by hiring 15 people to create the whole thing and take 3+ years to create the hype. Then when its said and done, folks are underwhelmed.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Goofnut1980 said:
my point is, Disney doesn't want the job done in a timely manner. They get extra hype by hiring 15 people to create the whole thing and take 3+ years to create the hype. Then when its said and done, folks are underwhelmed.
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Goofnut1980 said:
my point being, they hired a crew of 3,500 people to construct. Disney hires a small crew to do the work.
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This isn’t even close to true. Disney’s project teams are massive. If anything they have too many people working on any one project.
 
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Goofnut1980 said:
my point is, Disney doesn't want the job done in a timely manner. They get extra hype by hiring 15 people to create the whole thing and take 3+ years to create the hype. Then when its said and done, folks are underwhelmed.
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This just patently false. Disney if anything overstaffs project to make sure things get done how they want it. At least in WDW and in the China parks. I don't have any personal experience in CA or France.

As to timely, I actually haven't seen too many Disney project (other than covid timeframe) with huge critical path schedule delays. However, what Disney doesn't care about is what outsiders perceive as timely. Construction projects are run per the construction schedule, they don't care when announcements were made, when hints were given out as to what might be built or D23 blue sky topics. A baseline schedule is created, accepted, and construction begins and is managed per that schedule.

Now I have seen openings be planned based around certain marketing strategies...which is what a business should do. It makes absolutely no sense to rush and open a new ride in 20 months, if opening it up in 3 months later due to seasonal demand, other maintenance issues, or a myriad of other factors makes the later opening more commercially viable. Its not a race to just get things done as quick as possible.
 
Gusey

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From announcement to opening, these attractions worldwide took the longest to complete (of dates we know, as World of Frozen at Disney Adventure World will be over 7 years):
  1. Haunted Mansion at Disneyland (7 years, 7 months, 9 days) - December 31, 1961 - August 9, 1969
  2. World of Frozen at Hong Kong Disneyland (6 years, 11 months 29 days) - November 22, 2016 - November 20, 2023
  3. Fantasy Springs at Tokyo DisneySea (5 years, 11 months, 23 days) - June 14, 2018 - June 6, 2024
  4. Tron Lightcycle/Run at Magic Kingdom (5 years, 8 months, 20 days) - July 15, 2017 - April 4, 2023
  5. Pandora: The World of Avatar at Animal Kingdom (5 years, 8 months, 20 days) - September 20, 2011 - May 27, 2017
The quickest though are:
  1. Monsters Inc Laugh Floor at Magic Kingdom (6 months, 23 days) - September 10, 2006 - April 2, 2007
  2. The Timekeeper at Tokyo Disneyland (7 months, 15 days) - August 31, 1992 - April 15, 1993
  3. Magic Carpets of Aladdin at Magic Kingdom (7 months, 24 days) - September 30, 2000 - May 24, 2001
  4. A Bug's Land at DCA (7 months, 29 days) - February 8, 2002 - October 7, 2002
  5. Monsters Inc, Mike & Sulley to the Rescue! at DCA (8 months, 18 days) - May 5, 2005 - January 23, 2006
 
LSLS

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JMcMahonEsq said:
This just patently false. Disney if anything overstaffs project to make sure things get done how they want it. At least in WDW and in the China parks. I don't have any personal experience in CA or France.

As to timely, I actually haven't seen too many Disney project (other than covid timeframe) with huge critical path schedule delays. However, what Disney doesn't care about is what outsiders perceive as timely. Construction projects are run per the construction schedule, they don't care when announcements were made, when hints were given out as to what might be built or D23 blue sky topics. A baseline schedule is created, accepted, and construction begins and is managed per that schedule.

Now I have seen openings be planned based around certain marketing strategies...which is what a business should do. It makes absolutely no sense to rush and open a new ride in 20 months, if opening it up in 3 months later due to seasonal demand, other maintenance issues, or a myriad of other factors makes the later opening more commercially viable. Its not a race to just get things done as quick as possible.
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I'm almost positive it has been discussed by insiders that they do push things out to make the costs hit multiple fiscal quarters/years instead of all at once. I have no idea about numbers of people or how well it's staffed for the work being done (other than Cake Bake shop which we have heard about with hilarious detail), but their construction schedule is purposely pushed for extend periods of time. I think it's a fair assumption to think that they stay on the schedule they want, but that schedule is drastically extended compared to what it could be.
 
lazyboy97o

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LSLS said:
I'm almost positive it has been discussed by insiders that they do push things out to make the costs hit multiple fiscal quarters/years instead of all at once. I have no idea about numbers of people or how well it's staffed for the work being done (other than Cake Bake shop which we have heard about with hilarious detail), but their construction schedule is purposely pushed for extend periods of time. I think it's a fair assumption to think that they stay on the schedule they want, but that schedule is drastically extended compared to what it could be.
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Cake Bake Shop isn’t a Disney project.

There is also a lot of exaggeration of how much projects are pushed out mostly due to Disney announcing projects early in the design process.
 
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LSLS said:
I'm almost positive it has been discussed by insiders that they do push things out to make the costs hit multiple fiscal quarters/years instead of all at once. I have no idea about numbers of people or how well it's staffed for the work being done (other than Cake Bake shop which we have heard about with hilarious detail), but their construction schedule is purposely pushed for extend periods of time. I think it's a fair assumption to think that they stay on the schedule they want, but that schedule is drastically extended compared to what it could be.
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I don't believe the Cake Bake Shop was a Disney Contract/Project. I had thought the restaurant itself was doing the build out.

Almost any project "could" be built faster. A standard project schedule is going to be built around 1 eight hour shift, 5 days a week. If you wanted something built faster there are a myrad of methods to use to accelerate. You could work 10 or 12 hours shifts. You could work 6-7 days a week. You could go to 2-3 shifts. You could trade stack your operations flooding the job site, which kills efficiency and kills your costs, but you could see a project speed up.

But for almost any new Disney build, there is no reason once a design is set, a baseline CPM schedule set, to accelerate the work, or to build it as fast as possible. It's not an access issue, Disney doesn't have a carrying cost issue where it needs to complete work and sell off a completed asset as fast as possible to get rid of the holding cost/construction loan. Disney's scheduled aren't normally extended, they are set out to the date they want the project to be finished and up and running.
 
LSLS

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lazyboy97o said:
Cake Bake Shop isn’t a Disney project.

There is also a lot of exaggeration of how much projects are pushed out mostly due to Disney announcing projects early in the design process.
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I know it's not, hence why I wasn't really using that as a judgement of the number of people they use on a given project (just stating that is the one instance we have heard about number of people working on a project). And I'd agree part of it is announcing early. But that's not all of it, and like I said, I'm almost certain I've heard from insiders here that is because they prefer spreading the costs out.
 

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