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[RobidaFlats]

THE NAME OF THE RIDE AND THE DINO YOU BRING BACK ARE FROM THE MOVIE. What part of that is difficult to understand? It's a ride that wasn't based on an IP, but they modified it later to make it so.

How far they shove it down your throat or the public's familiarity with said movie is immaterial. It's a ride with an IP tie in.

The difficulty I am having is that making minor alterations to an attraction does not change its base. I certainly acknowledge that there is an IP tie in. That is an indisputable fact. What I dispute is that the ride is now somehow based on the movie. It was slightly altered to be related to the movie. When an actor makes a cameo in a TV episode, that episode is still based on the series, not the cameo. The plot and presentation of Countdown to Extinction is still intact. It now has a cameo from Dinosaur.

Edit: typo

 

[RobidaFlats]

lol thank you for defining the word "originated"

i get where you're coming from, but the ride as we know it now came from an IP. i also suspect CTE was developed to be a dinosaur tie-in but the name change waited until the film's release. either way, call it what you want, we all share this earth together my brother

I appreciate your politeness, and we certainly share this Earth. However, much like the planet, we also share a language.* And that language has certain definitions that don't support your statements. The ride that we know did not come from an IP. An IP was brought and attached to the ride that we know.

Now, if you have evidence that the ride was in fact designed to be based upon Dinosaur the movie but they decided to not reference it all, I'd be more than excited to see it.

*I am assuming that English is your primary language. If it isn't, your mastery of it is more than adequate for the point to stand.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

So because the original IP ride was basically unchanged, that means the IP was tied in?

How was it not? They changed the name of the ride to match the movie. They stuck a huge model of the main character of the movie in front of the ride. THEY ADDED A TON OF MOVIE RELATED MERCH TO THE STORE AT THE EXIT. Is all that just crazy coincidence?

And @marni1971 would know better, but I believe they changed at LEAST some of the animation at the end.

Again... It doesn't matter how far they drill the movie at you on the ride. It doesn't have to be a "book report" ride. It doesn't matter if nobody remembers the movie. It was purposely changed to match the name of the movie, they started selling tied-in merch, and stuck a huge Aladar out front. That's an IP tie-in.

 

[DinoInstitute]

To touch on this Dino discussion, the ride is not based on an IP. The connection to the movie, Dinosaur, is no more than just a small reference. The story of the ride has absolutely nothing to do with the movie.

 

[peter11435]

I appreciate your politeness, and we certainly share this Earth. However, much like the planet, we also share a language.* And that language has certain definitions that don't support your statements. The ride that we know did not come from an IP. An IP was brought and attached to the ride that we know.

Now, if you have evidence that the ride was in fact designed to be based upon Dinosaur the movie but they decided to not reference it all, I'd be more than excited to see it.

*I am assuming that English is your primary language. If it isn't, your mastery of it is more than adequate for the point to stand.

How do you explain the fact that the Carnotaurus and Iguanadon are both the main dinosaur characters in the film and were also the primarily dinosaurs used in the attraction?

 

[ElvisMickey]

Dinosaur originally opened as Countdown to Extinction. The name change as a weak attempt at a movie tie-in came later.

Agreed. The attraction name change, the placement of Aladar outside of the attraction and the quick clip of him during the preshow were all added to tie the movie in with the ride. There may be one or two other little things that I'm missing or forgetting.

 

[ToTBellHop]

THE NAME OF THE RIDE AND THE DINO YOU BRING BACK ARE FROM THE MOVIE. What part of that is difficult to understand? It's a ride that wasn't based on an IP, but they modified it later to make it so.

How far they shove it down your throat or the public's familiarity with said movie is immaterial. It's a ride with an IP tie in.

You mean the same Dino as you brought back in 1998 (2 years before the film) and still bring back?

 

[Buried20KLeague]

The difficulty I am having is that making minor alterations to an attraction does not change its base. I certainly acknowledge that there is an IP tie in. That is an indisputable fact. What I dispute is that the ride is now somehow based on the movie. It was slightly altered to be related to the movie. When an actor makes a cameo in a TV episode, that episode is still based on the series, not the cameo. The plot and presentation of Countdown to Extinction is still intact. It now has a cameo from Dinosaur.

Edit: typo

I never said it was designed based on the movie. They tweaked it to tie it in when the movie came out. But that's exactly the point. It has an IP tie in. Unlike Everest, or the safari, etc.

Although I suspect that there was sharing of information and synergy during the ride design and movie production processes. It (IMO) would be awfully coincidental to randomly make the bad guy the same in both... And it's not like it was a T-Rex... It was a CARNOTAURUS. A dinosaur that almost literally no one was aware of or familiar with before the movie or ride.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

You mean the same Dino as you brought back in 1998 (2 years before the film) and still bring back?

Yep. I didn't say it was changed to a different dino.

I suspect there was always intention of blending the ride and movie from the beginning of the design of both.

 

[RobidaFlats]

How do you explain the fact that the Carnotaurus and Iguanadon are both the main dinosaur characters in the film and were also the primarily dinosaurs used in the attraction?

I don't.

If you're asserting that that is proof that the ride was based on the movie, why couldn't one argue that the movie was based on the ride? They did it with Pirates and Haunted Mansion. To be clear, I am not arguing that at all, I merely offer it as an example of why it isn't proof. There could also be other reasons such as the two dinosaurs come from the same time period right before the meteor hit (I'm not sure, actually). The point is that there is no burden of disproof to explain why the theory put forth by someone else is or isn't true.

 

[DinoInstitute]

Yep. I didn't say it was changed to a different dino.

I suspect there was always intention of blending the ride and movie from the beginning of the design of both.

Why wouldn't it have always been called "DINOSAUR" then?

 

[RobidaFlats]

I never said it was designed based on the movie. They tweaked it to tie it in when the movie came out. But that's exactly the point. It has an IP tie in. Unlike Everest, or the safari, etc.

I have no objection to stating that it is a tie-in, it definitely is. However, you stated:

It's a ride that wasn't based on an IP, but they modified it later to make it so.

That sentence states that it was modified later to make it based on an IP. My argument is that that is not true. There were no substantial changes that altered the base of the ride. If that was not your intention and you position is merely that there is an IP tie in, then I agree and have no argument.

Edit: another typo, I'm having to do this way too frequently

 

[Ripken10]

How was it not? They changed the name of the ride to match the movie. They stuck a huge model of the main character of the movie in front of the ride. THEY ADDED A TON OF MOVIE RELATED MERCH TO THE STORE AT THE EXIT. Is all that just crazy coincidence?

And @marni1971 would know better, but I believe they changed at LEAST some of the animation at the end.

Again... It doesn't matter how far they drill the movie at you on the ride. It doesn't have to be a "book report" ride. It doesn't matter if nobody remembers the movie. It was purposely changed to match the name of the movie, they started selling tied-in merch, and stuck a huge Aladar out front. That's an IP tie-in.

Obviously you are outnumbered..but we could always put it to a vote since it is a democracy. Approx 4 people will vote it is based on an IP, and millions others will say it wasn't. Maybe they need to count the absentee ballots.

 

[Herbie]

The Great Movie Ride is at stake here. Choose your battles wisely.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Why wouldn't it have always been called "DINOSAUR" then?

No idea. It's possible Eisner (or someone else) wanted a more direct connection without spending much money.

That movie took years to make. The ride was in the design stage during that time. The main "good guy" and "bad guy" are the same in both. I don't think that's coincidence... And I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb to believe that.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Obviously you are outnumbered..but we could always put it to a vote since it is a democracy. Approx 4 people will vote it is based on an IP, and millions others will say it wasn't. Maybe they need to count the absentee ballots.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

If that was not your intention and you position is merely that there is an IP tie in

Exactly this. I said they tied it in. More than once.

Although as I said in my past couple posts to others, I would believe there absolutley WAS sharing of info and data and so forth during the designs of both.

 

[articos]

You mean the same Dino as you brought back in 1998 (2 years before the film) and still bring back?

Yep. The ride predated the movie. Good old corporate synergy - a major theme at Disney during those days - asked the filmmakers to utilize aspects of the attraction. When the movie's characters tested ok, the attraction was then planned to be rethemed to the movie, which essentially was renaming it and throwing the statue in front. Usually the other way around, but not this time.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Obviously you are outnumbered..but we could always put it to a vote since it is a democracy. Approx 4 people will vote it is based on an IP, and millions others will say it wasn't. Maybe they need to count the absentee ballots.

The ride as it stands today is based on the movie Dinosaur!

Just because it was a creatively lazy and half tailed effort doesn't mean that it is not the "Dinosaur!" ride. It is named after the movie and stars characters from that one specific movie. How is this NOT. based on Dinosaur!?

After they turn ToT into GotG: Tower of Power, are you going to say that the ride is still based on The Twilight Zone? Or is it going to be based on GotG?

 

[articos]

Yep. I didn't say it was changed to a different dino.

I suspect there was always intention of blending the ride and movie from the beginning of the design of both.

Not from the beginning of the attraction design, but during the production of the movie.