News Disney Not Renewing Great Movie Ride Sponsorship Deal with TCM ; Attraction to Close

Siren

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I doubt they'll run into any of the issues you suggested. It's hardly an old snd fragile building, and the rumored mold issues over at Maelstrom shouldn't apply here.

Even if they run into minor issues, current Disney management still seems to prefer this over building new. Is it faster? Not necessarily. Is it cheaper? Not significantly. As Dan has pointed out, expanding the parks in any way costs additional money in staffing and maintenance. Over the long term, this saves money and seems to be driving most of the recent decisions.

Sad and unacceptable especially in parks that desperately need added capacity and ride options, and DHS is the poster child.
Hi @Biff215! I don't like it but I do see your point. And, I totally agree that all of this is madness at DHS is just sad and unacceptable.

OK, I understand that part and agree, however, the part that no one seems to get is that those attractions like Pirate and HM are parts of the past culture and have over the years become iconic and highly popular now. The public accepted that back then and they became a must see and must do because the culture at the time accepted that. I sincerely don't believe that is possible today. Yes, we as long time fans still think that something like that would work, but, we are no longer the majority and theme parks cannot be built for a minority.

The company no longer has the faith and trust of the public concerning things that Walt is building because Walt is no longer building anything and those that followed simply did not have the touch to carry it on. Also we have to realize that even we seem unable to recognize innovative things that we so strongly advocate. All the negative talk about Pandora, for example, without even seeing it is a prime example of that. It is different then we are used to so automatically it isn't any good or it doesn't fit. In my opinion what "fits" changes with time. We can embrace it and enjoy new things or we can reject them, out of hand, just on principle. We are the losers in that case.

We can also ask ourselves if we are the ones that have stymied the creativity of modern imagineers and executives because we can no longer see the good or the reasons for that creativity. It really started, in my mind, back in 1997 when they created a spectacular 25th Anniversary Castle Cake that got nothing but hated by so many of us. Not me! We were upset because a plastic cake, which I can only imagine that amount of engineering and creativity and money that went into that project, replaced a plastic castle as if it were a real thing. The fun and whimsy of that creation was treated as if it were some sacrilege and assault to nature. As far as that goes, even the hand and wand was something that livened up Epcot and made it look like a fun place to be, to everyone except us. We were stuck in the past and unable to appreciate any effort to create and lighten the mood. I hated the Hat, but, not because of it's creation, which was nothing short of amazing, but, because the mistake they made was it's location and the decision to just leave it there when it was just supposed to be a special thing like the castle cake.

In other words, I think we are getting what we deserve. We have fought change and creativity at every turn and because of that we have lost most of the highly creative talent in the company along with an executive branch that knows that nothing they do will be looked upon positively, so why not just let it ride, take their bonuses and not worry about it. I'm pretty sure that is what most of us would do if we were in such a thankless position where the only reward is money.
Wow! Very well said @Goofyernmost! And, I totally agree. Disney World fans deserve everything they get. Maybe. Sometimes. Whatever.
 

Siren

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Disney has put new rides in far older building at WDW, and what leads you to believe the building is "fragile"? If there is asbestos in the building (don't know if there is or isn't), demolition doesn't make it any easier since it would still have to be carefully removed before demolition could start. Anything thing that could improve energy efficiency could easily be retro-fitted.
@danlb_2000 Okay, you're right. Maybe it's just that the building is so small in the front -- you can see how the photographer is kneeling on ground and it still looks small. But, thanks for showing how it expands in the back.

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With that said, I guess I'm over it now and I can't wait to see Disney's plans for this.
 

Siren

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I totally agree the Mickey Mouse Ride should have it's own identity and something entirely new...so why not just move it to the old Art Of Animation building and build an entirely new show building on that site... this would also separate DHS in half...one half celebrating Animation and the other half celebrating Action movies and more recent IPs. Next to the Art Of Animation Building could be the entrance to the expanded Pixar Place and Toy Story whatever they are calling it, Re-dress the buildings on the courtyard (little Mermaid Theater and the Disney Junior Theater) to early Hollywood with the Mickey and Walt statue from DCA prominently placed in the center of the courtyard and it all comes together...
Upgrade and refresh the great Movie Ride... Make it the bridge between the worlds of classic Hollywood, Animation, and modern action films... Then it all starts to make sense... doesn't it Siren?? All gain, no loss.
@Bocabear -- wow, I totally agree with you. I would be so elated if this were to happen but it's not.

I'm feeling so annoyed right now and I don't know if I am overreacting or what. But, I just don't like the Mickey Mouse ride taking over the Chinese theater.

There is this old Disney program that airs on TV during the holidays at like 3 in the morning or something and the show highlights all of the great modern marvels of Disney -- which includes Cinderella's Castle, Epcot's Spaceship Earth, the Tree at AK and I think the Tower of Terror. Obviously, it does not feature The Great Movie Ride.

So, after the news broke -- I couldn't help but envision a new modern marvel for DHS with Mickey as the mascot. It would have been so amazing! Just saying... LOL.

Anyway, thanks Bocabear. I'm totally over it now.
 

articos

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Disney has put new rides in far older building at WDW, and what leads you to believe the building is "fragile"? If there is asbestos in the building (don't know if there is or isn't), demolition doesn't make it any easier since it would still have to be carefully removed before demolition could start. Anything thing that could improve energy efficiency could easily be retro-fitted.
There's no asbestos within Disney Hollywood Studios. There's no reason to build a new building. It's a giant box with high ceilings and a level floor. Clear the existing sets and show control systems, and it's ready for the next attraction. :)
 

Siren

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Toontown's actually really non-reflective of Disney's cartoons (Mickey and the gang living in a more average looking suburbia in color shorts), what with the goal of Toontown's design being to create a setting where Disney and WB characters to co-exist for Roger Rabbit. In fact, it's mostly based on the cartoons of Max Fleischer.

Passport2Dreams Old and New got into this on a piece looking at Storybook Circus and the Toontown lands.

http://passport2dreams.blogspot.com/2012/09/lightning-in-bottle-storybook-circus.html
Hi @Tahu! Thanks so much for linking that blog. I enjoyed reading it and it did help to tie things together for me. Toontown's design really is modeled after Roger Rabbit!

There is such a vast array of approaches and different direction(s) that Disney can use for this project.



I love the art style of the Mickey shorts. And, I can see Disney using this aesthetic for a wild trackless fun ride.

But, on second thought -- after reading that blog, I can also see Disney staying in line with The Great Movie Ride and just add sets from Mickey's ToonTown and just call it The Great Mickey Mouse Ride or something.

Anyway, I really can't wait to see what kind of ride this will be.
 

Matt7187

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Maybe. The one I go to has the following headliner rides not based on an IP: EE, Safari, Dinosaur and Kali River Rapids. There are also tons of minor attractions not based on IPs: the walking trails in Africa and Asia, the tree of life itself, Hambre Village area, conservation station, all of Dino land. The only attractions in the park based on IPs are the Nemo, Lion King and Bug shows. I would say it's pretty fair to say the park is not based on IPs.
I have tried to contain myself here, but I can't let another mention of Harambe go by without posting this..

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Siren

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If it wasn't staying, what the heck would they be using as the Studios Icon? TOT is still not 100% safe, BAH is gone and so is the Earffel Tower (however it's spelled), so I guess it's good that it's staying.
LOL. It's only a matter of time before TOT becomes Mission Breakout. Disney isn't going to continue paying CBS royalties for use of the Twilight Zone when they can use their own IP. It's like paying rent for someone else's apartment when you own a home.

I'm glad you're cool with this though. I can't wait for Disney to gut out Space Ship Earth and replace it with Pickles & Peanut or Fishhooks or something like that. LOL.
 

IMDREW

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I love the chinese theater and think it's beautiful (I was frightened of it as a child, it looked so spooky to me), but still it seems odd to keep it as the park icon. I mean, Cinderella's Castle, the Tree of Life, Spaceship Earth and.. the chinese theater?! All the other park icons are Disney originals. But the chinese theater has nothing to do with Disney. Is it possible to keep the chinese theater, but make another thing the park icon? Like the sorcerers hat did (But not right in front of the CT), or the earful watertower. In the WDW app the icon they use is TOT. I don't like it this way.

@marni1971 Do you think we can expect an announcement soon? Or should I look more to D23 next year for an official announcement?
 

Bocabear

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We don't have to look any further than AK for a somewhat recent example of a park having a unique concept not at all based on IPs. It's certainly possible to still do. I think it comes down to creative laziness and a fear of failure. It's easier and safer to built SW land or Guardians of the Galaxy Land or Harry Potter phase 2 then a unique and original ride. You have a built in fan base so even if the ride is just so/so people will still like it because of the IP. A good example of a unique ride that is just so/so is Mission Space. Disney spent a lot of money on that ride and they haven't gotten the returns they hoped for. A Guardians replacement for Energy is much safer than a unique replacement. I guess you can blame this on park fan's negative attitudes, but this is happening in other creative areas like films and TV shows all the time. A sequel or spin off movie is much safer than a unique concept. I think it's more that Wall Street has bullied the heads of creative companies into taking the safer road as opposed to challenging themselves.
But I truly think that Mission Space is So-so because they did not build the complete pavilion...just the first part of the ride.. Had they built the ENTIRE pavilion....where the ride system was merely the conveyance to bring you to an entire mission base on Mars with additional attractions and exhibits there, then maybe it would be a more popular pavilion... but blasting off to Mars....which ends up being a climbing structure and an arcade game and gift shop, you cant help but feel a little underwelmed...it's all about staging. ... People only remember the last minute and 30 seconds of any experience...the memeory they are left with is a long walk to a gift shop... not the note you want to end on....which in the end hurts the overall impression. Mission Space could have been an amazing attraction, but ends up being much much less than the sum of it's parts.
 

raymusiccity

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But I truly think that Mission Space is So-so because they did not build the complete pavilion...just the first part of the ride.. Had they built the ENTIRE pavilion....where the ride system was merely the conveyance to bring you to an entire mission base on Mars with additional attractions and exhibits there, then maybe it would be a more popular pavilion... but blasting off to Mars....which ends up being a climbing structure and an arcade game and gift shop, you cant help but feel a little underwelmed...it's all about staging. ... People only remember the last minute and 30 seconds of any experience...the memeory they are left with is a long walk to a gift shop... not the note you want to end on....which in the end hurts the overall impression. Mission Space could have been an amazing attraction, but ends up being much much less than the sum of it's parts.

Well, I guess Soarin' must be a failure, too. A long walk into a cafeteria!
 

prberk

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I love the chinese theater and think it's beautiful (I was frightened of it as a child, it looked so spooky to me), but still it seems odd to keep it as the park icon. I mean, Cinderella's Castle, the Tree of Life, Spaceship Earth and.. the chinese theater?! All the other park icons are Disney originals. But the chinese theater has nothing to do with Disney. Is it possible to keep the chinese theater, but make another thing the park icon? Like the sorcerers hat did (But not right in front of the CT), or the earful watertower. In the WDW app the icon they use is TOT. I don't like it this way.

@marni1971 Do you think we can expect an announcement soon? Or should I look more to D23 next year for an official announcement?

Grauman's Chinese Theatre is THE icon of classic Hollywood, right up there with its neighbor, The Brown Derby, and the Hollywood sign behind it, looking down Vine St. from Hollywood Blvd. And it does have amazing Disney history (even though that was never really the point of this park). Mary Poppins and other Disney classics premiered there. Crossroads of the World is not far away, as are, of course Sunset Boulevard and the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel (the model for ToT).

What younger people, or people who have never toured Hollywood, may not understand, is just exactly how much the original designers of Disney-MGM Studios got it right. They captured iconic, bygone Hollywood beautifully. And it was exactly right to have Grauman's Chinese Theatre as the centerpiece, or as Walt would have said, the "wienie" to beckon you forward.

And these things were classics already when the park was built -- much like the iconic ideal "Main Street, USA," was when Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom were built. They were not built to be current with the latest IP. That was left to Fantasyland and other areas of the parks, but even so current and IP attractions were installed where they fit the theme. Mostly, though, new attractions were built that fit the theme at hand. In the case of the Chinese Theatre, that would be a ride through the greatest movies of all time (again, already classics at the time it was built -- not a cheesy way to ride a current wave of popularity).

This is the way to go. Build attractions and landmarks that have timeless appeal. The Chinese Theatre is exactly that.
 

Bocabear

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Grauman's Chinese Theatre is THE icon of classic Hollywood, right up there with its neighbor, The Brown Derby, and the Hollywood sign behind it, looking down Vine St. from Hollywood Blvd. And it does have amazing Disney history (even though that was never really the point of this park). Mary Poppins and other Disney classics premiered there. Crossroads of the World is not far away, as are, of course Sunset Boulevard and the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel (the model for ToT).

What younger people, or people who have never toured Hollywood, may not understand, is just exactly how much the original designers of Disney-MGM Studios got it right. They captured iconic, bygone Hollywood beautifully. And it was exactly right to have Grauman's Chinese Theatre as the centerpiece, or as Walt would have said, the "wienie" to beckon you forward.

And these things were classics already when the park was built -- much like the iconic ideal "Main Street, USA," was when Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom were built. They were not built to be current with the latest IP. That was left to Fantasyland and other areas of the parks, but even so current and IP attractions were installed where they fit the theme. Mostly, though, new attractions were built that fit the theme at hand. In the case of the Chinese Theatre, that would be a ride through the greatest movies of all time (again, already classics at the time it was built -- not a cheesy way to ride a current wave of popularity).

This is the way to go. Build attractions and landmarks that have timeless appeal. The Chinese Theatre is exactly that.
EXACTLY! X10000
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Grauman's Chinese Theatre is THE icon of classic Hollywood, right up there with its neighbor, The Brown Derby, and the Hollywood sign behind it, looking down Vine St. from Hollywood Blvd. And it does have amazing Disney history (even though that was never really the point of this park). Mary Poppins and other Disney classics premiered there. Crossroads of the World is not far away, as are, of course Sunset Boulevard and the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel (the model for ToT).

What younger people, or people who have never toured Hollywood, may not understand, is just exactly how much the original designers of Disney-MGM Studios got it right. They captured iconic, bygone Hollywood beautifully. And it was exactly right to have Grauman's Chinese Theatre as the centerpiece, or as Walt would have said, the "wienie" to beckon you forward.

And these things were classics already when the park was built -- much like the iconic ideal "Main Street, USA," was when Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom were built. They were not built to be current with the latest IP. That was left to Fantasyland and other areas of the parks, but even so current and IP attractions were installed where they fit the theme. Mostly, though, new attractions were built that fit the theme at hand. In the case of the Chinese Theatre, that would be a ride through the greatest movies of all time (again, already classics at the time it was built -- not a cheesy way to ride a current wave of popularity).

This is the way to go. Build attractions and landmarks that have timeless appeal. The Chinese Theatre is exactly that.
I think the part I bolded is the problem. When people hear "Hollywood" in 2016, they don't think about Frank Capra and Ingrid Bergman. They think about Kim Kardashian and Gwyneth Paltrow. To many folks in middle America (i.e. Disney's target audience), Hollywood is an elitist enclave of detestable heiresses, not the romanticized birthplace of American cinema. "Hollywood" doesn't elicit nostalgia and romance, it elicits resentment and class-based hostilities. It's the left-coast version of Wall Street.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Disney's target audience is whomever is willing to spend money on a trip to WDW. This includes a large segment of tourists who don't even live in USA, let alone "middle America".

Let's not throw political ideology into this discussion.
Political ideology has nothing to do with it. Lots of people are turned off by the vibe of Hollywood. That's a statement of fact. It doesn't even apply to me, since I'm nostalgic by nature and the vibe of "Old Hollywood" is very appealing to me.
 

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