News Disney Not Renewing Great Movie Ride Sponsorship Deal with TCM ; Attraction to Close

[Disneyhead'71]

Because the story of the MB ride is based on GotG. There's no argument to make that it's based on the Twilight Zone, it is clearly not. It's a different ride.

When CTX got its refurbishment to DINOSAUR, the ride did not fundamentally change. All it did was then include references to the film.

Really? I saw GotG, I don't recall them escaping the Collector's lair/power plant/fortress thing-a-ma-bob. So obviously the GotG ride isn't based on the movie GotG.

And wasn't there some minor little plot point in Dinosaur! (The Movie) about a global extinction causing meteorite?

Look, to say that the Dinosaur! ride isn't based on the movie Dinosaur! is absurd. Obviously it is based on the movie.

Is Frozenstrom based on the history and culture of the Norwegian people? No, it based on the Disney film Frozen.
Same building, same ride system, still no story.

 

[Thanks phoenicians]

I feel like insiders have said that they do like the concept of the ride and think it will be well done and very fun. Just the controversy about it is all in placement more or less.

In terms of park placement this is the perfect park however it would've been nicer if it were a brand new attraction and they gave GMR a big update.

 

[DinoInstitute]

Really? I saw GotG, I don't recall them escaping the Collector's lair/power plant/fortress thing-a-ma-bob. So obviously the GotG ride isn't based on the movie GotG.

GotG as a franchise is significantly more than just one movie, unlike the movie "Dinosaur". And I think you know that. Your argument is just getting silly.

And wasn't there some minor little plot point in Dinosaur! (The Movie) about a global extinction causing meteorite?

I'm not really sure, it's been a long time since I've seen it and only vaguely remember it, so I guess I can't really speak on it.

But it's already been said that the film producers were told to take cues from the ride, so there's an explanation for that.

Look, to say that the Dinosaur! ride isn't based on the movie Dinosaur! is absurd. Obviously it is based on the movie.

And I feel the opposite way, so I guess we have a bit of a conundrum

Is Frozenstrom based on the history and culture of the Norwegian people? No, it based on the Disney film Frozen.
Same building, same ride system, still no story

Same issue as you comparing it to GotG:MB- it's just not the same situation. In Frozenstrom's case, the ride fundamentally changed to have a new story (which is something it does in fact have if you pay attention to the ride and scenes, but it doesn't matter, I don't want this thread to drift that much further ). Unlike DINOSAUR, who's story remained the same with new character references. A comparable situation would have been Olaf sitting on the oil rig waving guests away.

 

[tissandtully]

Really? I saw GotG, I don't recall them escaping the Collector's lair/power plant/fortress thing-a-ma-bob. So obviously the GotG ride isn't based on the movie GotG.

And wasn't there some minor little plot point in Dinosaur! (The Movie) about a global extinction causing meteorite?

Look, to say that the Dinosaur! ride isn't based on the movie Dinosaur! is absurd. Obviously it is based on the movie.

Is Frozenstrom based on the history and culture of the Norwegian people? No, it based on the Disney film Frozen.
Same building, same ride system, still no story.

Huh? You seem really confused. CTX was created before the Dinosaur movie, CTX wasn't based on Dinosaur, but since the film came out, it references the movie. Not sure how you are stuck on this.

 

[Phil12]

Maybe. The one I go to has the following headliner rides not based on an IP: EE, Safari, Dinosaur and Kali River Rapids. There are also tons of minor attractions not based on IPs: the walking trails in Africa and Asia, the tree of life itself, Hambre Village area, conservation station, all of Dino land. The only attractions in the park based on IPs are the Nemo, Lion King and Bug shows. I would say it's pretty fair to say the park is not based on IPs.

And let's not forget the old Tarzan roller blade show or Camp Minnie Mickey!

 

[danlb_2000]

So anybody in the know on this particular attraction does it sounds like it'll actually be pretty good or will it just be based off the Mickey Mouse shorts? I feel like this ride particularly could either go horribly wrong or be very good.

If I have read the past few pages correctly, there will be dinosaurs in the new ride.

 

[tissandtully]

If I have read the past few pages correctly, there will be dinosaurs in the new ride.

That'd be sweet.

 

[KingOfEpicocity]

If I have read the past few pages correctly, there will be dinosaurs in the new ride.

And they'll add a few pictures of Mickey in there and the whole ride will suddenly be based on Mickey.

 

[Phil12]

But there's nothing in Dino to suggest it's based on the movie. Simply the name.

Let's rename Spaceship Earth to Meet the Robinsons.

 

[Phil12]

The bottom line is that all Disney entertainment is full of IP crossovers including books, movies, TV, music and anything else that will make a buck. Walt was never shy about selling coonskin caps by the truck load and that philosophy (i.e. salesmanship) has carried forth to this day in TWDC. And as soon as the current IP stops making money they shift it to something else for the time being until that IP can be recycled years later. Due to the Mickey Mouse Extension Act (i.e. Copyright Term Extension Act) Disney has been able to keep Mickey and his friends out of the public domain and that puts money in Disney's pockets!

GotG at ToT sounds like a money maker to me!

 

[CDavid]

Ummm Great Movie Ride???

Someone should start a separate thread for that...

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Huh? You seem really confused. CTX was created before the Dinosaur movie, CTX wasn't based on Dinosaur, but since the film came out, it references the movie. Not sure how you are stuck on this.

CTX was definitely built before the Dinosaur movie. And Maelstrom was built 28 years before Frozen Ever After.

Did Dinosaur (the attraction) open before Dinosaur (the movie)?

 

[Matt_Black]

Let's rename Spaceship Earth to Meet the Robinsons.

YES! Have Wilbur and Carl the Robot narrate!

"Hi, I'm Wilbur and this is my buddy Carl! We're from the hit film Frozen and we're about to use my dad's time machine to take you on a trip through history!"
"Uh... Wilbur? We weren't IN Frozen."
"Quiet! THEY don't know that! Anyway, we're are about to embark on the History of Communication!"

 

[GoofGoof]

And let's not forget the old Tarzan roller blade show or Camp Minnie Mickey!

dinosaur is based on an IP though

Countdown to Extinction opened 2 years before the movie came out. They made a weak attempt to tie in the movie after it came out but it's a stretch to say the ride wad based on an existing IP. Is Pirates an original concept or based on an IP?

I can maybe see both sides to that argument but it's really splitting hairs. My point (which has gotten completely lost in this nitpicking) is that it's still possible to build an entire park without relying on tie-ins to existing IP.

 

[Phil12]

Someone should start a separate thread for that...

The key word in the title is "sponsorship". What it boils down to is that if an outside sponsor is willing to pay the costs of a ride, Disney will build them most anything. If Disney has to build it on their own, they want to get some return via IP integration. Some people either just fail to see the connection or refuse to accept the practice as being legitimate.

It applies not only to the GMR but to every other attraction.

 

[Matt_Black]

I can maybe see both sides to that argument but it's really splitting hairs. My point (which has gotten completely lost in this nitpicking) is that it's still possible to build an entire park without relying on tie-ins to existing IP.

And that's very true. Now, you just need to convince the executives of that, as they're the ones that make approvals and control budgets. And they are often unimaginative sorts who like proven commodities.

 

[Phil12]

My point (which has gotten completely lost in this nitpicking) is that it's still possible to build an entire park without relying on tie-ins to existing IP.

Is it practical as well? You act as if selling the brand (as Walt himself always put first) is a bad thing to do. The bottom line is that you can't swing a cat around your head at any Disney park without hitting some form of IP. And there's nothing wrong with that. Mickey balloon anyone?

 

[GoofGoof]

And that's very true. Now, you just need to convince the executives of that, as they're the ones that make approvals and control budgets. And they are often unimaginative sorts who like proven commodities.

That's the real trick. I'll give it a shot. I have no pull with anyone who matters in the decision making process so don't hold your breathe

I would actually be OK with making DHS a Disney version of IOA. A bunch of unrelated IP based lands. I have more of an issue with EPCOT turning into that too. I know it's a safer play but I just wish someone there would grow a set and take a real risk with a legit makeover of EPCOT that's in keeping with the original theme.

 

[kpilcher]

I like your question. 'Is this ride gonna be good or just based off MM shorts?"

Unfortunately, the new crop of Imagineers are going, "How on earth are gonna base a ride on these!?!"

That's the trackless ride vehicle!!

 

[Disneyhead'71]

And that's very true. Now, you just need to convince the executives of that, as they're the ones that make approvals and control budgets. And they are often unimaginative sorts who like proven commodities.

The good thing is the well is running dry on really bankable IPs. Tolkien is the last great IP out there. Disney has done a good job of exploiting there own IPs, and Bob has bought and then exploded in popularity some great IPs.

I like IPs. And sometimes I really like IP integration into the parks. Disney can be masters at it. That's why the recent trend of designing theme parks based on resort infrastructure issues instead of artistic integrity is so galling.

That said, and I know I'm going to get flamed for this. I'm am not only OK with Mickey coming to the Chinese Theater. I welcome it and am actually excited for it. The GMR has been a pass for me for about 10 years. I have ridden it twice in the past year, and well, yeah.....

There is a lot of space there for the Imagineers work with.