Yeah, I think it’s definitely accepted that it is more contagious which obviously can lead to more deaths but not definitive evidence about it being deadlier. I don’t have good sources but I was reading some information yesterday that the data from the UK may actually suggest that it’s less deadly. Essentially cases went way up and while deaths also went up it was fewer than expected.
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ElvisMickey
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I have no problem with vaccine passports.
fractal
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Hmmm, maybe this is why the CDC is recommending the vaccinated now wear face masks. I'm sure we'll know soon enough. It is consistent with reports out of Israel.
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“NBC News, citing unnamed officials aware of the decision, reported it comes after new data suggests vaccinated individuals could have higher levels of virus and infect others amid the surge of cases driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus,” the USA Today reported in a passage that was later scrubbed from an article.
New Evidence Suggests COVID Vaccine May *SPREAD* the Virus: NBC News Report Deleted from USA Today Article
"CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data shows the delta variant, which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections"...
beckernews.com
“NBC News, citing unnamed officials aware of the decision, reported it comes after new data suggests vaccinated individuals could have higher levels of virus and infect others amid the surge of cases driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus,” the USA Today reported in a passage that was later scrubbed from an article.
ElvisMickey
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The delta variant can reinfect you – but the chances of that happening are very small
With nine in 10 adults in England now carrying antibodies against Covid, and infections seemingly in retreat, it would be tempting to think the country's epidemic is all but over. Yet there is growing evidence that the delta variant is far better than previous strains at reinfecting people who...
disneygeek90
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Many of these cases may not even be true reinfections but rather the re-emergence of the previous illness that was not completely cleared. It is only possible to tell a true reinfection by genetically sequencing the strain, which is not always done.The delta variant can reinfect you – but the chances of that happening are very small
With nine in 10 adults in England now carrying antibodies against Covid, and infections seemingly in retreat, it would be tempting to think the country's epidemic is all but over. Yet there is growing evidence that the delta variant is far better than previous strains at reinfecting people who...news.yahoo.com
Instead, reinfection is defined as an illness caught 90 days after being diagnosed with a first infection, or following four negative tests.
90 days? Vaccine is proving far more lasting than that. So if you were to be reinfected 4 months later, I guess that study would count it as a new infection.
fractal
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In general, viruses mutate to become more contagious but less harmful. This allows our immune system to catch up. If this wasn't true the Human Race would have been wiped out a very long time ago.
True, I just hope this is the end of the cycle and the virus becomes trivial at some point.
So what your saying in 6 out of the 8 the vaccine didn't work in...
ElvisMickey
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OK, then take this one. All you need to do is a search and you can find numerous articles on this stuff.
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
Editor's Commentary: Let's start with the biggest question that is not getting adequately answered by anyone in government, mainstream media,
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danv3
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This is (real) the reasoning behind the new guidance.
Definitely alarming. Statistically, that should almost never happen. Still, I bet one of the attendees at that deposition knew they weren't feeling 100% but that day but showed up anyway because the deposition was "important."
mikejs78
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This source is complete garbage.Hmmm, maybe this is why the CDC is recommending the vaccinated now wear face masks. I'm sure we'll know soon enough. It is consistent with reports out of Israel.
New Evidence Suggests COVID Vaccine May *SPREAD* the Virus: NBC News Report Deleted from USA Today Article
"CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data shows the delta variant, which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections"...
“NBC News, citing unnamed officials aware of the decision, reported it comes after new data suggests vaccinated individuals could have higher levels of virus and infect others amid the surge of cases driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus,” the USA Today reported in a passage that was later scrubbed from an article.
The delta variant can reinfect you – but the chances of that happening are very small
With nine in 10 adults in England now carrying antibodies against Covid, and infections seemingly in retreat, it would be tempting to think the country's epidemic is all but over. Yet there is growing evidence that the delta variant is far better than previous strains at reinfecting people who...
Newer info in a study out yesterday that infections among naturally infected are 4x higher than with alpha.
mikejs78
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And that article is complete garbage reporting.OK, then take this one. All you need to do is a search and you can find numerous articles on this stuff.
Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine
Editor's Commentary: Let's start with the biggest question that is not getting adequately answered by anyone in government, mainstream media,
mikejs78
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Seriously. It states "literally every known virus prior to Covid-19 has been better-prevented by natural immunity than vaccines.". Not even close to the truth. Anti-vaxxer trash.
I feel dumber from having read that.
fractal
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Natural immunity is robust and may or may not provide more or less protection than the vaccine. I will agree with you that this article is misleading as the "700%" is from a small sample in Israel. However, as Delta spreads in Israel it can be said that natural immunity, at least there, provides at least as much protection.
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disneygeek90
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I opened it, scrolled through it for 10 seconds, and then closed it. Looks like a 12 year old designed that site.
ElvisMickey
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But isn’t that what it comes down to? No matter who you trust, no matter who I trust, no matter who anyone trusts, we’re all being manipulated at least a little and we have been since the beginning, politics aside.
This dude loves trawling for random blogs that cook up whatever he wants to hear. It's very entertaining.
mikejs78
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A.12 year old with fake nostalgia for GeoCities.
fractal
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NBC? USA today?
The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Protection spoke on Wednesday about evidence that vaccinated people can spread the Covid-19 Delta variant to others, after the nation’s top health agency expanded on its new guidance that fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors in certain places.
Rochelle Walensky said “new science” observed in recent days demonstrated that new variants of the coronavirus were transmissible by people who have been fully vaccinated in some cases.
New US mask guidance prompted by evidence vaccinated can spread Delta
CDC director Rochelle Walensky says ‘new science’ showing people with outbreak infections can pass on virus prompted change
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