Disney guest chokes girl who was blocking view of fireworks, deputies say

[drizgirl]

I think, and dare I say it, this is where the mention of the dreaded 5th gate comes in. Disney is doing a lot of demo within spaces that already exist. If I'm going the wrong way from @drizgirl is, then I apologize, but not everyone likes Star Wars, Toy Story or Avatar. There are people who are currently holding off on Disney vacations until some of these lands (mostly Star Wars Land) is done. So you're going to have a pretty big influx of people at that time, in addition to normal vacationers.

Anyway, let's get this thing back on topic...

Exactly that. And even worse on the west coast where SWL is going into an already overcrowded DL park. There's no way there is enough ride capacity coming there to offset the huge increase in crowds it will bring.

Slightly different on the other coast, but similar concept. And I agree that many have put off trips until the "new stuff is done". I think the increases in crowds will be greater than the increase in ride capacity.

Time will tell.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Exactly what I have been saying for years. The solution is to add more nighttime entertainment/attractions etc. at the other 3 parks to spread the nighttime crowd around more. Make it something they want to go do or see, instead of flooding MK right before Wishes or HEA.

I know that we have RoL at AK, IRoE at EPCOT, and Fantasmic/SW at DHS, but it still doesn't seem to be enough of a draw to keep people away from MK.

Would also require that the other parks stay open much later as well.

I think we're all saying the same things. The "Fixes" they have put in place aren't really fixes. If Disney was truly worried about MK crowding the fix would be expansion expansion expansion. Make the other parks bigger draws, spread out the crowds, and give MK guests more to do from dawn until dusk.

 

[drizgirl]

I think we're all saying the same things. The "Fixes" they have put in place aren't really fixes. If Disney was truly worried about MK crowding the fix would be expansion expansion expansion. Make the other parks bigger draws, spread out the crowds, and give MK guests more to do from dawn until dusk.

Problem is they only want to fix the issues if they can maintain their 24% margin.

 

[ppete1975]

There's something very ironic about an area called Dinoland that doesn't eat people

i wish I could give you 50 likes for that comment

They used to have a people eater....

 

[mousehockey37]

I think we're all saying the same things. The "Fixes" they have put in place aren't really fixes. If Disney was truly worried about MK crowding the fix would be expansion expansion expansion. Make the other parks bigger draws, spread out the crowds, and give MK guests more to do from dawn until dusk.

That's a different issue. No matter what they do in the parks or with FP+, etc, people are going to go where they want. The MK will always have a huge nightly draw. IMO, and only IMO, I love Illuminations way more than Wishes, but Wishes will always LOOK fuller because there's only so many places in the MK you can stand to see it. The WS is a big area and you can spread out more around the lagoon.

 

[MisterPenguin]

If you think the pricing structure was a way to spread crowds out, I think you are giving Disney a little bit too much credit.

While we only have data for one year, the new pricing did seem to work: There were almost no park shutdowns for crowds this past holiday season. The previous year there were lots of days hitting the first phase of shut-downs.

 

[Disney Analyst]

While we only have data for one year, the new pricing did seem to work: There were almost no park shutdowns for crowds this past holiday season. The previous year there were lots of days hitting the first phase of shut-downs.

You could also argue Orlando had a heck of year due to several tragedies and I think tourism took a big nose dive.

 

[danlb_2000]

The solution to overcrowding is this, and only this. Expansion without raising daily attendance. Add more rides, more walkways, more shops/dining and more shows. Add and expand until the parks reaches comfortable crowd levels, then, and only then do you consider raising attendance due to the added capacity.

But expansion without increasing attendance, or increasing prices, will reduce profits.

 

[Disney Analyst]

But expansion without increasing attendance, or increasing prices, will reduce profits.

Well, I said nothing about price increases. Price increases are going to happen. All I am saying is if Disney were serious about wanting to combat crowding issues, if they even consider it an issue, they would expand the park without raising park capacity, until the park began to find a safe operating level, and then would consider capacity increases after.

 

[Tick Tock]

This stuff happens all the time in the world, any concert, any sporting event,

Exactly. The worst public choking incident in history occurred at this year's Super Bowl.

Thanks a lot, Falcons!

 

[ford91exploder]

But expansion without increasing attendance, or increasing prices, will reduce profits.

People not getting a good experience in the parks will also damage profits

 

[AndrewsJ]

People not getting a good experience in the parks will also damage profits

Doubtful. Lots of folks on these forums haven't had a good experience in the parks in many many years but profits continue to climb exponentially.

 

[TheGuyThatMakesSwords]

Just us....
A crime occurred. The Police were called. The Police acted, just as they would anywhere in the US. Yes, these things can happen at WDW - which, in the end, is just another part of the US. As the whole thing has been addressed - why are we pontificating?

All personal opinion - I'm not necessarily right, no one else is necessarily wrong.

 

[Touchdown]

I love the comment about Dollywood and Universal being for the unwashed. Clearly you haven't been out of Florida much.

Today I saw a group of acrobats from South Africa, the Polish national ballet, The Invaders (the group that invented steel pans aka drums) from Trinidad, an Irish harp and flute duet, a Swiss yodel group, and a wooden flute group from Equador. Where did I see this? It wasn't Epcot, it was Dollywood. Also the red buds and dogwoods are blooming and the Smokies are gorgeous.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

People with more money are generally more educated, and/or generally have learned how to behave in public and social situations.
This is because those qualities are generally required to get a good job, maintain that job, and climb the ladder.
Generally.
It's why you'll find better behavior in say Nordstrom than Wallmart.

Obviously you've never worked in retail...
the color of your AMEX card has nothing to do with the type of person you are...actually, in MY 30+ years of retail management, the MORE $$ a person has, makes them feel they're MORE entitled, more arrogant, just nastier.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

People with more money are generally more educated, and/or generally have learned how to behave in public and social situations.
This is because those qualities are generally required to get a good job, maintain that job, and climb the ladder.
Generally.
It's why you'll find better behavior in say Nordstrom than Wallmart.

AND, I know a h##l of a lot of mechanics, HVAC techs, plumbers, carpenters, etc. that NEVER went to college and probably make more $$ than half of the degree holders. And it's Wal-Mart

 

[Kamikaze]

Is attendance down in the Magic Kingdom? I wouldn't make that argument in the other parks, but this is the MK we're talking about.

And not everyone can stand that long. But I really don't think this is about sitting versus standing. I think it's about too many people in too little space. Tempers can flare even if everyone is standing.

As you know, (or should, if you're commenting on the subject) Disney no longer breaks its attendance numbers out by park.

And yes, people not being able to stand that long was exactly the point of making that the rule. This would have avoided the problem since the argument started over the girl standing in front of sitting people.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

I hear people complain about the 2PM meltdown the little ones have, which is an expected phase and due to tiredness, over stimulation, etc. (understandable). Others complain when an Autistic person has a meltdown often influenced by over stimulation (also understandable). Then there are those that complain about simple things like viewing something in a crowded area as if they are the royalty or are holders of the Golden Ticket.

It all demonstrates pure intolerance of society now. How many people, including those flying off the handle, would have a superior vacation simply by learning tolerance and practicing it in a place like a Disney park? Plain stupid.

The toddler meltdown thing is not intolerance it is people who use meltdown because their kid gets tired and starts acting like a spoiled brat. Tired is no excuse for bad behavior, when I was a kid there was no such thing as a meltdown, of course when I was kid parents made their kids mind sleepy or not.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

I'm sorry but there are so gapping holes in this story, yes the woman was wrong for her behavior but my guess is young missy and her friends did not just walk away and say you can have our spot, pretty sure there was some smart remarks from the teens that provoked the whole thing, that the teens left out when they told their "story".

 

[Goofyernmost]

It's not often that someone paints themselves as the villain of their own story.

I believe it is known in psychological circles as "The Dirty Harry Syndrome".