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Disney Genie and Genie+ at Walt Disney World
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They also need to be careful how much they hold back from pre-booking.
If resort guests booking 7 days out can't get what they want people will be calling screaming at them wanting to cancel their reservations.
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
Thrill data (https://www.thrill-data.com/lightning-lane/wdw) is able to show 21 day out availability. For the biggest hitters though (if you booked today for August 7th)
| Ride | Earliest return time if you booked at 7am today | Earliest return time if you booked now ~11:15am |
| Tiana | Sold out | Sold out |
| Remy | 3:50pm | 4:10pm |
| Frozen | 11:55am | 12pm |
| SDD | 5:40pm | 5:40pm |
| Navi | 11:10am | 11:20am |
Not only does that logically make sense, but it looks like that is the case in practice as well. Here are some data points from blogmickey for some of the most difficult to book rides
Top 10 Toughest Lightning Lane Multi Pass & Single Pass Attractions to Secure at Walt Disney World
In this article, we're going to cover Lightning Lane attraction availability and take a look at the top 10 toughest attractions to secure!
blogmickey.com
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
They could have done this by letting resort guests book their first ride only and kept the best parts of genie but instead they now made it the worst version of line skip since its inception
One pre booked ride isn't good enough. It needs to be 3 to fill rooms.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
100% agree. This is the fourth version of this in 10 years and this is the worst version of all 4. How do they keep getting it wrong? Why can't they just get it right?
Awful.
But this will change too. Sales will 100% be lower with this and they will change it. I'm convinced off that. I don't expect this to last to thanksgiving. My guess is we will have changes before the holidays because of how bad this is.
Awful.
But this will change too. Sales will 100% be lower with this and they will change it. I'm convinced off that. I don't expect this to last to thanksgiving. My guess is we will have changes before the holidays because of how bad this is.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
You obviously don't understand how it works 2 ILLs, first pre booked and a VQ would be 4 in advance.
If you could pre book ur first, eliminating the 7am wake up and then have 100% of the rides available to you at 10am when it's time to book your second
Vs
Booking 3 rides, none of your top choices
What would you select?
There's not one logical person that would pick the 3.
You don't understand what other people want.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
Agree 100%......all you had to know was to book every 2 hours or after you used ur last genie.....how is that so hard?
and i got any ride i wanted in any park (as long as i got SDD at 7am)
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
This is exactly the problem w this system..........and not only that, it hurts resort guests who do not go right to the parks first thing in the am........
Who does this benefit other than resort rope droppers? nobody
They took a product that needing tweaking and nuked it and made it a vastly inferior product that is worse for 90% of the users who buy it
JMcMahonEsq
Well-Known Member
Thats because the new systems (like the FP+ of old) wasn't intended to be a good line skip system.
No matter that Genie+ replaces FP+, at a fundamental level they were NOT the same thing, and didn't have the same goals in mind.
FP+ did several things. First it acted as an incentive to Resort guests, providing a free service that was better then what people not staying on property had. Second, it was a trip PLANNING system not a simple line skipping system. It was a reservation system that let you guarantee you were getting on X ride, at Y time, no matter the what the conditions were day of trip. It benefitted people who wanted to do pre-planning, who wanted to stay on property, but it lacked flexibility to take into account actual lines. You might pre-trip get a FP for a ride on Monday morning, and that day, it turns out the wait is 5min and you didn't need the FP to skip a line.
Genie+ did other things. First it was a day of service, treating day guests and long term stayers equally. Other than a slightly earlier booking opportunity for your first ride, it also treats on property guests and off property guests equally. Finally it didn't let you reserve/plan out rides in advance, rather your selections were being made day of, based upon line times and availability. It was geared toward being able to choice to skip a line as it existed that day, not preplanning a time in the future when you could schedule a ride.
I always thought Genie+ was a fairer, more equitable system. But as someone who like planning trips, thinks spontaneity is just laziness, and who always stays on property, subjectively FP+ was a better system (not taking into account one was free and the other was paid.) It appears based upon the data WDW has that 1) more/better benefits for staying on property are needed and 2) people like pre-planning their ride times as opposed to the simple skip whatever line i can at the time model. So its not that the new system is a worse version of Genie+, its that WDW wants the new system to do different things.
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JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
then you're not using it right
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
and they could have easily eliminated the 7am thing, giving a clear advantage to resort guests by allowing their first ride pre booked while preserving the best parts of Genie+ that are VASTLY superior to this system that not one person could debate otherwise.....
I don't know one person who would have 3 crappy rides vs 3 tier 1 rides.....not one....and if you say you do, you are lying
ConfettiCupcake
Well-Known Member
If everybody used all the tips and tricks to the fullest you no longer would have been able to get the results you did.
I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand a finite capacity where demand outpaces supply. There is no best system from the perspective of all guests because of this. Somebody has to give up LLs for somebody else to get them. They quite literally only work the way they do for power users because a contingent of users could not or would not use the system like a power user.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
what if you are one of the 90% of guests who do not rope drop? its worse for 90% of guests, day or resort
90 vs 10? i dont think anyone would be able to argue that's better
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
Noonish check on 7/31 (first day people were able to book 7 days in advance!)
| Ride | Normal return time | Best return time within the 5 refreshes | |
| Big Thunder | Sold out | ||
| Buzz | 4:35pm | ||
| HM | 8:25pm | ||
| Jungle Cruise | Sold out | ||
| Pooh | 8:35pm | ||
| Pirates |
| 1:55pm | |
| SM | 6:20pm | 5:30pm | |
| Tiana | Sold out | ||
| Frozen | Sold out | ||
| MS | 8:30pm | ||
| Remy | Sold out | ||
| MMRR | 3:45pm | ||
| MFSR | 2:45pm | ||
| RnRC | 7:00pm | 4:30pm | |
| SDD | Sold out | ||
| TSMM | Sold out | 2:40pm | |
| ToT | Sold out | 8:15pm | |
| EE | 1:40pm | ||
| Kali | 4:50pm | ||
| Navi | 4:55pm |
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
what about all the people that go to buy it and see sold out and have no clue about drops (prob 90% of the users buying it)? they will never buy it
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Anyone figure out what the problem
With rides is yet?
With rides is yet?