Jrb1979
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Its not that it's hard, it's that most don't do the parks that way. Most people aren't there to get 11 rides in each day. Most want 3-4 that fit their schedule.
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Disney Genie and Genie+ at Walt Disney World
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Splash4eva
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Then Genie would have been just as effective by stacking them during the day… and in theory you could have stacked 3 tier 1 rides where now you cant. So to me Genie was good for everyone sans the 7am part which last i checked is still there lol… anyone who wanted to stroll in later could have had at least 4 rides booked via Genie if you get to park after 3pm and if you came at 5 you could have 5 booked not counting ILL. So you can walk in park at 5pm and literally have 6 rides booked to enjoy with zero hassle. Now you cant so
Splash4eva
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Genie kinda did that for you tho when you think about it
Jrb1979
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Yeah but the benefit of this new system is for hopefully get guests to fill their empty rooms. The other is to hopefully get people dining in at TS again.
IMO this change wasn't really for guest benefit. It was to give a perk to fill rooms and get people back to spending money in the parks. Many dismiss it but I really do believe they are panicking cause the things that used to fill the resorts aren't doing it. Free dining and discounts hasn't moved the needle liked they hoped. I wouldn't be surprised when this doesn't either.
They have a pricing problem that they refuse to fix.
Splash4eva
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I cant see anyone who truly needs to save money decide to come on property… listen ive always felt value was all that is needed i know ill duck and hide but in all reality they are not that bad and best way to save money while staying at the House of Mouse
ConfettiCupcake
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The perfect system will never exist until they have enough desirable ride capacity to go around and everybody can use it to facilitate their own idea of their best Disney day.
I’m pretty confident in saying Disney probably considered all the ‘better’ suggestions people have made in here, and for one reason or another opted not to go that route. That they’ve gone back to this magic 3 system twice now makes me think they’ve got some data that shows 3 pre scheduled rides is something desirable for some large target of guests.
That’s what keeps getting lost here. ‘People should have just researched better and worked harder’, no, I don’t think people actually want that lol. As soon as that happens on any large scale and the tips that make the system function at the optimal level become widespread practices they no longer work as well. There too little capacity. Not everybody can have a successful day if we’re defining it by number of desirable LL booked.
If everyone does it it doesn’t work the same. Disney didn’t change this system because people were reluctant to use Genie+ the way you do and then complained. Disney knows not everybody can use the system in that maximizing way as there’s not enough seats to go around, so they’re going back to the days where they give their resort guests a leg up, as well as setting up each guest who uses it with a base of 3.
Doing research will absolutely pay off with this new system too. It always has. A base of 3 experiences may slightly shift what the pay off is but until Disney puts a hard cap on LLs booked the ride focused will be fine.
ConfettiCupcake
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FWIW, I think this kind of touring works nicely with the LLMP style system. It’s basically the ideal style of touring for it (a midday break). Move through your first 3 quickly in conjunction with rope drop attractions, maybe grab 1-2 more before you leave, and have 3 booked somewhere for your evening with the bonus of having your afternoon break to refine things using drops and such.
I’d argue it’s better than Genie+ for that (Genie+ does better with a late entry to the park or no exit at all IMO) but YMMV.
tonythetigerasn
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I don't know what to say to this, except that was my experience. If you think I'm exaggerating or lying, maybe it makes you feel better to know I think the same about you. Describing it as not hard at all to ride every single ride you wanted is very far from my experience.
I was traveling with young kids in a 10-person group. We mistimed a breakfast reservation. We underestimated Disney transportation times. We booked at 7:02 instead of 7:00:01. If this all sounds like we are irresponsible idiots, fine. Before our trip, I read a lot and was already more familiar with the resort than most people. But it wasn't enough and nothing felt easy. I think it's unrealistic to call a very high level of planning, familiarity, and endurance "not hard at all."
For 90% of visitors (probably way more), a visit doesn't feel easy or simple or whatever synonyms you want to use. These LL changes at least get closer for a family like mine. I think they're a step in the right direction.
ConfettiCupcake
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This is exactly what I assumed would lead to the kind of day people are claiming is impossibly bad. It doesn’t take much. 30 seconds too late for 7 am means your very likely past 11 am for the most desirable LL. Even right at 7 can do that. That likely means you are already 1-2 LLs behind the maximizing guest by the time 11 hits. And despite what the conversation in here portrays, by 11 am return times for most of the big guys would be pushed far out if not sold out.
Then you have to consider the various issues that can pop up throughout the day, leading to missing times or knowing in advance that a return time simply won’t work. Too many people come at this from the perspective of years and years of experience with these parks, as well as experience with their own group in Disney parks giving them the ability to anticipate how they’ll move and behave throughout the day.
I’d say it’s pretty clear from this change Disney felt the inability to choose one’s own time and be at the mercy of the return times was a sticking point for enough guests they needed to address it.
Purduevian
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2ish pm check
| Ride | Normal return time | Best return time within the 5 refreshes | |
| Big Thunder | Sold out | ||
| Buzz | 5:55pm | ||
| HM | 8:55pm | ||
| Jungle Cruise | Sold out | ||
| Pooh | 9:05pm | 6:20pm | |
| Pirates |
| 2:40pm | |
| SM | Sold out | ||
| Tiana | Sold out | ||
| Frozen | Sold out | ||
| MS | Sold out | ||
| Remy | Sold out | ||
| MMRR | 7:40pm | 3:55pm | |
| MFSR | 6:15pm | 4:00pm | |
| RnRC | Sold out | ||
| SDD | Sold out | ||
| TSMM | Sold out | 7:10pm | |
| ToT | Sold out | ||
| EE | 2:20pm | ||
| Kali | 3:45pm | 3:30pm | |
| Navi | Sold out |
bwr827
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That’s not even the point. No one disagrees that power users had an advantage with Genie+.
The point is about Disney potentially levelling the playing field on this front.
bwr827
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Multiple reports and YouTube videos have pointed out that “sold out” is not necessarily a final state at any given time of the day.
Playing the slots/refresh game has so far worked to get LLs for some rides that were showing as no longer available.
Chip Chipperson
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But you used very general phrasing about how businesses should "stand up" to their customers and operate how they see fit. So are you really just saying that Disney should stand up to its customers when it suits your preferences? Either way, Disney clearly thinks this is the better choice, so they ARE operating as they see fit - because "as they see fit" = finding g ways to get customers to keep paying for things and filling resort rooms.
Chip Chipperson
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And now people doing research and prep work in a different way will benefit. Why do you want to penalize the people who put out the effort to plan their trips in advance and give Disney extra money by booking WDW resort rooms? See how that argument can cut both ways?
Chip Chipperson
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I agree. I also didn't find the randomness of G+ return times and needing to constantly check for return times and refresh the page over and over to be a fun day. I knew what to do but didn't enjoy it and it certainly didn't "always" work for me or others I know. I understand that others were fine with it, but Disney obviously heard from a large amount of guests that pre-planning is preferable.
ConfettiCupcake
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MK is looking decent again in comparison to the first couple days. They must have tweaked something, it’s still looking pretty slow as far as wait times go, but it’s just past 3:00 pm and Buzz, HM, Pirates, and Space are not sold out and are holding through refreshes.
TheMaxRebo
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I am definitely one of them, especially can mined with the 7am booking, it just made for stressful mornings. Not just having to do it at 7am but not knowing what you would be able to get and what time it would be for. And then then at times you would get whammies by clicking on it when it says one time, but by the time confirmed it was a lot latter
I was able to make G+ work really efficiently for us but was much more stressful and took up more brain energy than a FP+ type system - so hoping for similar with this system
BrianLo
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I’m curious what MK does once Big Thunder closes. It feels overdue time for either SDMT or Tron to make the jump. Which of the two more consistently sells out the ‘single pass’/ILL?
The attraction tiers again just highlight that Epcot and DAK need the most help with more desirable attractions. DHS is surprisingly more robust than it should be.
The attraction tiers again just highlight that Epcot and DAK need the most help with more desirable attractions. DHS is surprisingly more robust than it should be.
Purduevian
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100%, that's why when I'm posting these, I do a 5-refresh attempt (far right column). In the post you quoted TSMM came back, but nothing else did in 5 attempts. Obviously more could come back if I did more than 5, but I feel like 5 is pretty reasonable for a laid back, don't want to be on my phone all day Disney day.
ConfettiCupcake
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I’ve been periodically keeping an eye out too. Refresh is IME more plentiful than it was with Genie (balanced out by the way Genie held availability longer through the day), and drops are similar. I think it will be possible to have a similar experience as Genie for the user focused on quantity.