Disney doesn't allow guns at work!

[Eyorefan]

All I know is I would NOT be comfortable going to work knowing that other employees may have guns!
I can just see it now, "Don't tick that guy off, he carries a gun!"

Excatly my point.

I'm sorry to all the people out there who are so afraid that they feel like they need a gun to go about their daily lives. However, I find it strange that these same people, aren't afraid of what other might do with their guns.

To me, it's a lot harder for a person to go postal if they leave Disney property and have to drive else were to get their gun. It seems like there is more of a cooling off period. Just think, a CM gets fired and has to be escorted to their car because they are causing a sceen. Instead of getting in their car and driving away, they get into their car and pull out their gun.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

You are correct in that a gun doesn't "make you safe"...but it (with proper training) increases the chances that if you are "attacked", you can either defend yourself or "scare off" the attacker...just the same as wearing a seat belt doesn't "prevent" you from getting in an accident, but it increases the chances that you'll live through it...

Unless of course the "attacker" has a better weapon or is better trained.

However when do the bears get arms?

 

[kimmychad]

Yeah, you're really going to put up a huge fight against an invading army. Did you just recently watch Red Dawn or something?

actually, i heard that after one of the world wars, japan had said that one of the reasons they didnt put forces in the us was because of the high percentage of united states citizens that own guns.

 

[FreedomWrangler]

O.K., no one is going to change another's mind on this subject. Disney's policy is Disney's policy, right/wrong/indifferent, unless the board/management/shareholders force a change.

In closing:

"Have fun stormin' da castle!"

 

[VillanovaBlue]

Excatly my point.

I'm sorry to all the people out there who are so afraid that they feel like they need a gun to go about their daily lives. However, I find it strange that these same people, aren't afraid of what other might do with their guns.

To me, it's a lot harder for a person to go postal if they leave Disney property and have to drive else were to get their gun. It seems like there is more of a cooling off period. Just think, a CM gets fired and has to be escorted to their car because they are causing a sceen. Instead of getting in their car and driving away, they get into their car and pull out their gun.

Well, provided the person has followed the proper procedures, they have gone through a background check, a cooling off period, and a safety course prior to purchasing their gun and obtaining their Concealed Weapons permit. These people are the least likely to commit any type of crime, especially one involving their own gun, (No, I don't have links off-hand, but I have read articles about this...I'm sure a quick Google will get you plenty of info) so the likelihood of a scenario like you are describing would be highly unlikely; and really, it's not a strong argument for a "ban", because you could easily use that example in any other situation (road rage, guy gets in a fight while out, etc., and gets his gun out of the car)...where would you draw the line?

 

[bsandersjr]

I do not see the big deal. For all you know, castmembers have been armed for years. The difference here is that it has been made public.

It's not like there will be a special pin to wear.

I feel sade at WDW. A cast member having a gun in thier car or locker has never really been a thought in my mind. Guests either. In my opinion, guest and cast members may have been carrying guns for years. I just do not think about that stuff while at the world.

 

[markjohns1]

Question about those who are licensed or trained, as I do not and probably will not ever own a gun. During training, are you only trained and certified about the mechanics of using or maintaining a gun? For example, how to turn the safety on or off, how to clean and care for it, and basic safety rules like to always treat a gun as if it were loaded...

Is there any sort of mental training? By that, I mean training to teach how to know what types of situations to use a firearm, when it is acceptable to use such force, how to deal or cope with shooting someone, etc. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but do the police, military, and government agencies like the FBI do this kind of training?

And I wanted to point out that being licensed and trained does not automatically mean they are safe to handle a firearm. There are plenty of licensed drivers who I don't feel safe driving with or around. I see them every day on my commute.

 

[Fade_to_Blah]

To me, it's a lot harder for a person to go postal if they leave Disney property and have to drive else were to get their gun. It seems like there is more of a cooling off period. Just think, a CM gets fired and has to be escorted to their car because they are causing a sceen. Instead of getting in their car and driving away, they get into their car and pull out their gun.

hehe, i think if a CM even considers doing something like that, we are in for a big problem and cooling off isnt going to help at all.

 

[Fade_to_Blah]

Question about those who are licensed or trained, as I do not and probably will not ever own a gun. During training, are you only trained and certified about the mechanics of using or maintaining a gun? For example, how to turn the safety on or off, how to clean and care for it, and basic safety rules like to always treat a gun as if it were loaded...

Is there any sort of mental training? By that, I mean training to teach how to know what types of situations to use a firearm, when it is acceptable to use such force, how to deal or cope with shooting someone, etc. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but do the police, military, and government agencies like the FBI do this kind of training?

And I wanted to point out that being licensed and trained does not automatically mean they are safe to handle a firearm. There are plenty of licensed drivers who I don't feel safe driving with or around. I see them every day on my commute.

Yes, now I think its different in every state. But for my certification, there was a test....went over the laws...went over some pretend situations...practiced shooting properly....quite a bit of stuff.

 

[Legacy]

Well, from a military perspective, the training strictly covers aiming and mechanics. But, the military in general provides situational training. I have done, "Shoot/Don't Shoot" scenarios, but that is more advanced training.

That said, I have access to several weapons that I know how to use when needed.

But they don't leave the house.

 

[kcnole]

Is there any sort of mental training? By that, I mean training to teach how to know what types of situations to use a firearm, when it is acceptable to use such force, how to deal or cope with shooting someone, etc. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but do the police, military, and government agencies like the FBI do this kind of training?

Yes, there is training about the acceptable uses of a firearm. There's not any psychological training about how to deal with what you've done if you have to shoot someone, but there is training on when it is legal for you to use your weapon. Its very strict.

As for those who say I live in fear because I think one should have the right to do so, that's ridiculous. I don't currently carry a gun in my car. I work at a school, and even after the new law its still illegal for me to carry it on campus so I don't. That said, I don't think its ridiculous to say that someone is living in fear because they see the benefit of doing so. I've already pointed out two scenarios where someone I knew was able to protect themselves from an attack because they carried. Had they not had a gun, who knows what would have happened.

Again, the statistics show that by far, the majority of crimes that take place with guns in America are not by people who are legally licensed to use them. Certainly, some of them will commit a crime, but by and far, they know how and when to use a gun. They've also had background checks and are free of any criminal behavior. That certainly doesn't mean they won't use it in the heat of a moment but it certainly lessens the likelyhood that they'll use it incorrectly.

We're way off the subject here. The true subject is whether Disney should be able to restrict this or not. Currently I'd say that if there's a loophole in there that they're within their rights to do so. If Congress closes that loophole, then they're not.

 

[RiversideBunny]

One danger could be the accidental firing of a weapon.

People have actually been killed, for example in hotel rooms, because someone next door accidently dropped or fired a weapon.
Children sometimes get killed or injured at someone's home when they find a loaded gun.

Although the probability is small of it happening, that would be my concern in a WDW parking lot.

In the Army and in civilian life I have fired a lot of different weapons but I personally don't keep a loaded gun in the house or have one in my car.

:king:

 

[yankspy]

Unless of course the "attacker" has a better weapon or is better trained.

However when do the bears get arms?[/quote]


I guess you have not seen the CBJ refurb.

 

[MarKing]

What I find interesting is that there are so many here who would have people lay down their rights as free men and women simply because they do not 'feel' it necessary that their right be exercised.

Maybe we should apply that same attitude to the other rights layed out in the Constitution. People say things that I don't feel need to be said. People gather where I don't feel they need to gather. People vote in ways I don't feel need to be voted. People consume alchohol and I don't feel it needs to be consumed.

If a person wants to exercise their right to self-defense and has followed the legal procedure to do so, then no one has any right to deny them that right simply because of thier feelings.

Crime happens. Whether it be rape, burglary, car jacking, mugging, murder, etc. It all happens; we read and hear about it every day. I realize that we do not live in a world where everyone will respect one another and I could be killed simply for looking at someone or for the $20 I have in my wallet. And so, I choose to defend myself. I do not leave it in the hands of Law Enforcement (whom I have the highest respect for) as they are not responsible for the safety of the individual (many states have laws that remove any liability from Law Enforcement) and most often respond to crime rather than being able to deter it.

I, and only I, am responsible for the safety and well being of my family. For everyone who wants me to leave my gun at home because you do not feel safe knowing that I, and other law abiding citizens like me, are exercising our rights than please feel free draw up a written, notarized contract that states you will provide for my family for the rest of their days should I lose my life in the event that I am a victim of crime.

Any volunteers?

I'm not worried about the law abiding, licensed citizen carrying a firearm either on their person or in their vehicle who has had a federal, state, and local criminal and mental background check, and has been fingerprinted and photographed. I'm worried about the criminal who doesn't care about either the law nor my rights and who can and will sleep soundly after he has committed crime.

Too many people here would rather let emotion carry them away than focus on the fact that some employees would leave firearms locked in their cars, not on their persons while they are work. There is a huge difference.

If Disney does not allow people to keep firearms in their personal vehicles on company property are they willing to be responsible for the safety of their employees while commuting to and from work?

I doubt it. You can't have it both ways.

You may find this site interesting: http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html

 

[Timmay]

As for those who say I live in fear because I think one should have the right to do so, that's ridiculous.

The fear arguement is a strawman.

One danger could be the accidental firing of a weapon.
People have actually been killed, for example in hotel rooms, because someone next door accidently dropped

The only way a firearm would ever fire when dropped is if the firing mechanism is seriously, and I mean very seriously, falling apart. Guns just don't fire without someone pulling the trigger.

 

[uklad79]

Who the hell would want to carry a gun on them unless they were a criminal. Decent people don't need to carry guns! They are for killing people. Good on Disney's lawyers for once in getting this stopped.

 

[Computer Magic]

Well, from a military perspective, the training strictly covers aiming and mechanics. But, the military in general provides situational training. I have done, "Shoot/Don't Shoot" scenarios, but that is more advanced training.

That said, I have access to several weapons that I know how to use when needed.

But they don't leave the house.

makes note to stay on Jeff's good side

 

[betahawk]

Thanks folks...

I want to Thank MarKing, Timmay and the others who are pleading our side. I tried, but deleted the posts before posting them.

It is a hard argument to counter the illogical fear of a tool.

Well done.

 

[HMF]

I also tend to agree with you on your constitution comment. I believe the "right to bear arms" is taken literally rather than in the proper historical perspective.

The constitution does not use the word gun it says arms. That could be interpreted as any weapon.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I want to Thank MarKing, Timmay and the others who are pleading our side. I tried, but deleted the posts before posting them.

It is a hard argument to counter the illogical fear of a tool.

Well done.

Its the illogical tool carrying the tool that im worried about.