Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[DKampy]

Tell us you don’t have young kids without telling us you don’t have young kids

Correct… I don’t have young kids… I still do not think most people go that early… I do have young kids in my family whose parents take them to the movie theater usually in the afternoon. .. I even checked my local theater… sure enough the 10:00 and 11:00 times were sparse. … while the times after that were all at least close to half fulll…. Granted none of them were close to sold out either…. However these were only those that purchased the seats in advanced… but I could wrong and that theater’s market is different and does robust business in the morning

Also before someone post that I claim this movie will be a success…. I don’t… I in fact believe this movie will be a financial failure….. I only responded because I suspect that poster has his own narrative he is spinning…. How come he only showed the 10:00 AM… when earlier he posted multiple showtimes as he was pointing out how many advance tickets were sold prior to the opening

 

[brideck]

I'm not saying none of them did well. But like you said, I'd have to check the box office of a bunch of them. I just don't remember very many of them doing big money.

This'll help the rom-com conversation -- https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/genres/romantic-comedy

[Note: Grease would be 3rd on the list, but I guess it's not a rom-com by the definition of wherever their genre data is coming from? When Harry Met Sally... didn't get much of an international distribution, so would be just outside the top 100 worldwide. It's in the top 40 for US-only, though.]

Only 9 of the 89 movies on that list that got a substantial US theatrical release are from the last 10 years, and that's not even adjusted for inflation.

 

[John park hopper]

I Don't believe recognizing and being honest about it is dividing us. Is that what you think you're doing? Accusing everyone that they're a bunch of racist bigots or whatever phobe you want to insert is hardly being honest. What you do is shame and bully if someone doesn't agree. As I said, we won't see eye to eye on this. What you call strawman I say is you deflecting and moving the goalposts.

Solution push the ignore ---works for me

 

[Casper Gutman]

I Don't believe recognizing and being honest about it is dividing us. Is that what you think you're doing? Accusing everyone that they're a bunch of racist bigots or whatever phobe you want to insert is hardly being honest. What you do is shame and bully if someone doesn't agree. As I said, we won't see eye to eye on this. What you call strawman I say is you deflecting and moving the goalposts.

I have tried to have a reasonable discussion with you, but let me be clear - you are lying about what I have said.

 

[Prince-1]

This was about a week ago...




Best Picture winner Anora was rated R for the following, per the MPAA...

"Rated R for strong sexual content throughout, graphic nudity, pervasive language, and drug use."

To paraphrase a very wise Federal Judge from 60 years ago... "I can't define p*rnography, but I know it when I see it."

Ok you found one person thinking Snow was going to be a success. Now work on the rest that he was talking about because he thinks it’s multiple people.

As for thinking the Anora is p*rn is one of the most ridiculous thing you’ve said and that is saying something. I mean you and Fareb are just embarrassing yourselves with this. Honestly you basically just described every R rated movie that’s been released. What a joke!!

 

[Prince-1]

Tell us you don’t have young kids without telling us you don’t have young kids

I had two young kids and we never once went that early. Obviously people do, but I would say the majority of families don’t go that early.

 

[Casper Gutman]

For me, this always comes down to how people have different definitions for what racism is and looks like. I would guess that you fall closer to the camp of racism is direct personal negative action (slurs, overt refusal of services/opportunities, etc.) and not the more systemic meanings of the term.

This is exactly correct. There are a lot of assumptions at work here - racism is when you put on a hood and shout slurs. It's something alien, something out there. It's done by people on the very fringes of society, powerless, probably poor or otherwise marginalized. It's also something in the past, a past that ended completely and totally at some vague date and now has no influence whatsoever on modern society, no matter how prevalent and ingrained it might have been even a few decades ago. And we shouldn't talk about that past too much - at least not the parts after the Civil War brought a convenient and triumphant "happy end" to the narrative - because that might make people feel bad and divide society.

Racism certainly isn't something that lingers on or is regaining strength. It's not something that walks through the halls of power. it's not something that fills social media and drives cultural narratives. And it CERTAINLY isn't something that's inside all of us, buried in unexamined biases and snap judgements. Because if it was, if it was still a real and even growing problem, that would make us uncomfortable. It would make us have to question society. It would make us have to question ourselves. And that's very scary.

So when an actress is viciously attacked because she's the wrong color, when hate flows freely in the discourse for years based on her race... that can't be "racism." It must be something reasonable and excusable. Because otherwise...

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I'm confused. Is it Rachel Zegler's Snow White or is it Bob Iger's Snow White? I just don't know who to believe anymore!

Technically I think it’s the last remnant of the short Chapek era… so maybe Bob Chapeks Snow White would be most accurate.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

There are opinions and then there are facts. You seem to be confusing them.

Here’s a fact… watching an all day track meet is a struggle. 4x100 starts at 8:45am, last race 4x400 at 4:00pm

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

For me, this always comes down to how people have different definitions for what racism is and looks like. I would guess that you fall closer to the camp of racism is direct personal negative action (slurs, overt refusal of services/opportunities, etc.) and not the more systemic meanings of the term.

Great post and likely very accurate, half of us probably view it one way and the other half the other way, which is why we’ll never see eye to eye on what is, and what isn’t, racist.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

This is exactly correct. There are a lot of assumptions at work here - racism is when you put on a hood and shout slurs. It's something alien, something out there. It's done by people on the very fringes of society, powerless, probably poor or otherwise marginalized. It's also something in the past, a past that ended completely and totally at some vague date and now has no influence whatsoever on modern society, no matter how prevalent and ingrained it might have been even a few decades ago. And we shouldn't talk about that past too much - at least not the parts after the Civil War brought a convenient and triumphant "happy end" to the narrative - because that might make people feel bad and divide society.

Racism certainly isn't something that lingers on or is regaining strength. It's not something that walks through the halls of power. it's not something that fills social media and drives cultural narratives. And it CERTAINLY isn't something that's inside all of us, buried in unexamined biases and snap judgements. Because if it was, if it was still a real and even growing problem, that would make us uncomfortable. It would make us have to question society. It would make us have to question ourselves. And that's very scary.

So when an actress is viciously attacked because she's the wrong color, when hate flows freely in the discourse for years based on her race... that can't be "racism." It must be something reasonable and excusable. Because otherwise...

Umm ... so are you calling him (and a large portion of the message board) a racist? Or not calling him a racist? Your most recent posts contradict themselves.

 

[Disney Irish]

Post in thread 'Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs'

Dec 27, 2024

The controversy surrounding Erivo was mild and mostly just cringeworthy. With Rachel it was just controversy after controversy after controversy, and I think most people are aware even if they don't know every minutiae. All it takes is for someone to tell them "hey did you hear what the actress from Disney's upcoming Snow White remake said?" to make them decide "well then not going to watch the movie now".

You’re making the assumption that the majority (or even half) the movie going public pays attention, most don’t.

Don’t take our little slice of the internet as some indication...

• Disney Irish

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Post in thread 'Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’'

Aug 10, 2024

I think that’s already going to happen, this film has had more bad press and negativity surrounding it than any other film I can recall, unless the word of mouth is so good it overrides all the previous press I think it’s already beyond the point half the country will ever give it a chance.

I think you’re far over-estimating the number of people who know or care about early publicity.

I'll bet the average person doesn’t have this on their radar screen and the first they’ll see or hear of it will be the trailer, which looks great.

• Chi84

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Post in thread 'Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’'

Aug 10, 2024

So personally, looks awful to me. I've been on record for a while that I hate the straight remakes, and this feels like that is exactly what it is (though the actors said otherwise, so who knows at this point).

But, for those worried about the CGI (which does look really awful), that stuff usually does get cleaned up a lot between trailer and release, so don't read TOO much into it. I do agree with whoever said the hair looks bad on her though. I couldn't figure out what looked so off, and that is absolutely what it was. Guess we will see what happens next year.

It can’t be a...

• Chi84

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Post in thread 'Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’'

Aug 10, 2024

This is a great point. It’s a bit of recency bias to complain the film was short. For reference, few modern animated films are that much longer than Snow White’s runtime, and falls well within the mean of WDAS output over the decades:

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There is length and there is length. What I’m saying is a modern audience would not sit through 80 minutes with so little plot or action.

That’s probably more an indictment of the attention spans of current audiences than the original film, but having recently watched the original I’m confident in my opinion.

• Chi84

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I'm sure there are more...

Not one of those posts are about making a prediction on the movies success, they were only discussing the movie compared to the original as that was the discussion happening. Or how well informed someone is on the latest controversy outside of this forum.

For myself I’ve never made a prediction about how it would do, or if I did it was so long ago before any of the recent discussions I’ve forgotten. As of now I still don’t know how it’ll do, it may bomb or it may do ok, we’ll have to wait and see.

Look, you want to bash on the film, call it names, call the actresses involved names, or whatever be my guest. But at least be honest about your fellow posters and don’t cast aspersions just because they disagree with you.

 

[Phroobar]

Weekend predictions: Snow White struggling to drum up business - The Numbers

Things aren’t looking rosy for Snow White this morning, with a modest $3.5 million from Thursday preview screenings. That doesn’t completely rule out

www.the-numbers.com

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Box Office: ‘Snow White’ Awakens With $16 Million Opening Day as ‘Alto Knights’ Bombs

Disney's 'Snow White' remake, starring Rachel Zegler and Gal Gadot, is opening on top of the box office. Robert De Niro's 'The Alto Knights' is bombing.

variety.com

Looks like it did about $12.5 million yesterday and the projections are down to $40-45 million for the weekend now. I’m back to thinking this will do similar to Cap4 and end up in the $400 million range.

 

[Chi84]

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Umm ... so are you calling him (and a large portion of the message board) a racist? Or not calling him a racist? Your most recent posts contradict themselves.

Why does anyone need to be “calling” anyone names or labeling them?

It’s a discussion. Just read the posts.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

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Why does anyone need to be “calling” anyone names or labeling them?

It’s a discussion. Just read the posts.

"Hey! Stop noticing that the other guy seemed to call most of the message board a racist!"

"This is a 'discussion.' So that means we speak and you read."

 

[Casper Gutman]

Umm ... so are you calling him (and a large portion of the message board) a racist? Or not calling him a racist? Your most recent posts contradict themselves.

Everybody has racial biases. You, me, everyone. That doesn’t make everyone a “racist.” It also doesn’t free us from responsibility for honesty and introspection. And it doesn’t give us the right to rewrite history or ignore uncomfortable facts.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think I’ve ever called anyone here a racist.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Everybody has racial biases. You, me, everyone. That doesn’t make everyone a “racist.” It also doesn’t free us from responsibility for honesty and introspection. And it doesn’t give us the right to rewrite history or ignore uncomfortable facts.

So are you insinuating that he is a racist? Or not insinuating that he is a racist?

 

[Chi84]

"Hey! Stop noticing that the other guy seemed to call most of the message board a racist!"

"This is a 'discussion.' So that means we speak and you read."

You post some strange stuff. What I’m saying is that if you read his posts they say what they say without calling anyone names.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I’m curious - did any of the posters defending Zegler expect the film to do well? I’ve always expected a bomb, and not primarily because of the hate campaign. Snow White is not particularly relevant to modern audiences, it’s a hard film to adapt, fewer films are hits for a lot of reasons, and most of the live-action remakes are mediocre at best.