Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Agent H]

You, Chi, Disney Irish, Tony and others constantly think you can gang up on people here and disrespect them just because you don't like their opinions.

I'm done with this game, find someone else to harass.

There are opinions and then there are facts. You seem to be confusing them.

 

[erasure fan1]

A lot of straw men here.

I will simply say that the idea that, “recognizing and being honest about bigotry is what really divides us,” is a very old and a very silly idea.

I Don't believe recognizing and being honest about it is dividing us. Is that what you think you're doing? Accusing everyone that they're a bunch of racist bigots or whatever phobe you want to insert is hardly being honest. What you do is shame and bully if someone doesn't agree. As I said, we won't see eye to eye on this. What you call strawman I say is you deflecting and moving the goalposts.

 

[brideck]

Variety tries its best to put a good sping on things in their intro, but a few paragraphs in the box office reality sets in as they acknowledge the $250+ production budget for Rachel Zegler's Snow White and how that presents a very steep hill for this movie to climb to merely breaking even.

I'm confused. Is it Rachel Zegler's Snow White or is it Bob Iger's Snow White? I just don't know who to believe anymore!

 

[Tha Realest]

I'm confused. Is it Rachel Zegler's Snow White or is it Bob Iger's Snow White? I just don't know who to believe anymore!

Did Bog Iger even acknowledge it during the shareholder call this week?

 

[erasure fan1]

I have not checked grosses… but Sleepless in Seattle, When Harry Met Sally, and Grease all feel like they may have been hits in their day… at least that is what immediately pops in my head

I'm not saying none of them did well. But like you said, I'd have to check the box office of a bunch of them. I just don't remember very many of them doing big money.

 

[brideck]

Accusing everyone that they're a bunch of racist bigots or whatever phobe you want to insert is hardly being honest.

For me, this always comes down to how people have different definitions for what racism is and looks like. I would guess that you fall closer to the camp of racism is direct personal negative action (slurs, overt refusal of services/opportunities, etc.) and not the more systemic meanings of the term.

 

[brideck]

Did Bog Iger even acknowledge it during the shareholder call this week?

You made me do a double-take. I literally just corrected my own "Bog Iger" typo in the post you're quoting.

Unfortunately, I can't answer your question. I don't pay attention to that stuff.

 

[Agent H]

You made me do a double-take. I literally just corrected my own "Bog Iger" typo in the post you're quoting.

Unfortunately, I can't answer your question. I don't pay attention to that stuff.

It’s less annoying than the “bob Igor” I see in toxic YouTube comments sections.

 

[DKampy]

10:00am IMAX today (after 10 so this includes walk ups)

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Who goes to the theater at 10:00 on a Saturday morning? I remember attending a screening for The Force Awakens at 1:00 PM opening weekend…. I got there early due to expected crowds…. Which my theater was full…I am guessing the previous showing might have been 10:00… well when that movie ended…only 1 family and a couple of other stragglers exited….I Was surprised at the time… as I had assumed every showtime would be a near sellout

 

[Tha Realest]

Who goes to the theater at 10:00 on a Saturday morning?

Tell us you don’t have young kids without telling us you don’t have young kids

 

[DKampy]

Tell us you don’t have young kids without telling us you don’t have young kids

Correct… I don’t have young kids… I still do not think most people go that early… I do have young kids in my family whose parents take them to the movie theater usually in the afternoon. .. I even checked my local theater… sure enough the 10:00 and 11:00 times were sparse. … while the times after that were all at least close to half fulll…. Granted none of them were close to sold out either…. However these were only those that purchased the seats in advanced… but I could wrong and that theater’s market is different and does robust business in the morning

Also before someone post that I claim this movie will be a success…. I don’t… I in fact believe this movie will be a financial failure….. I only responded because I suspect that poster has his own narrative he is spinning…. How come he only showed the 10:00 AM… when earlier he posted multiple showtimes as he was pointing out how many advance tickets were sold prior to the opening

 

[brideck]

I'm not saying none of them did well. But like you said, I'd have to check the box office of a bunch of them. I just don't remember very many of them doing big money.

This'll help the rom-com conversation -- https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/genres/romantic-comedy

[Note: Grease would be 3rd on the list, but I guess it's not a rom-com by the definition of wherever their genre data is coming from? When Harry Met Sally... didn't get much of an international distribution, so would be just outside the top 100 worldwide. It's in the top 40 for US-only, though.]

Only 9 of the 89 movies on that list that got a substantial US theatrical release are from the last 10 years, and that's not even adjusted for inflation.

 

[John park hopper]

I Don't believe recognizing and being honest about it is dividing us. Is that what you think you're doing? Accusing everyone that they're a bunch of racist bigots or whatever phobe you want to insert is hardly being honest. What you do is shame and bully if someone doesn't agree. As I said, we won't see eye to eye on this. What you call strawman I say is you deflecting and moving the goalposts.

Solution push the ignore ---works for me

 

[Casper Gutman]

I Don't believe recognizing and being honest about it is dividing us. Is that what you think you're doing? Accusing everyone that they're a bunch of racist bigots or whatever phobe you want to insert is hardly being honest. What you do is shame and bully if someone doesn't agree. As I said, we won't see eye to eye on this. What you call strawman I say is you deflecting and moving the goalposts.

I have tried to have a reasonable discussion with you, but let me be clear - you are lying about what I have said.

 

[Prince-1]

This was about a week ago...




Best Picture winner Anora was rated R for the following, per the MPAA...

"Rated R for strong sexual content throughout, graphic nudity, pervasive language, and drug use."

To paraphrase a very wise Federal Judge from 60 years ago... "I can't define p*rnography, but I know it when I see it."

Ok you found one person thinking Snow was going to be a success. Now work on the rest that he was talking about because he thinks it’s multiple people.

As for thinking the Anora is p*rn is one of the most ridiculous thing you’ve said and that is saying something. I mean you and Fareb are just embarrassing yourselves with this. Honestly you basically just described every R rated movie that’s been released. What a joke!!

 

[Prince-1]

Tell us you don’t have young kids without telling us you don’t have young kids

I had two young kids and we never once went that early. Obviously people do, but I would say the majority of families don’t go that early.

 

[Casper Gutman]

For me, this always comes down to how people have different definitions for what racism is and looks like. I would guess that you fall closer to the camp of racism is direct personal negative action (slurs, overt refusal of services/opportunities, etc.) and not the more systemic meanings of the term.

This is exactly correct. There are a lot of assumptions at work here - racism is when you put on a hood and shout slurs. It's something alien, something out there. It's done by people on the very fringes of society, powerless, probably poor or otherwise marginalized. It's also something in the past, a past that ended completely and totally at some vague date and now has no influence whatsoever on modern society, no matter how prevalent and ingrained it might have been even a few decades ago. And we shouldn't talk about that past too much - at least not the parts after the Civil War brought a convenient and triumphant "happy end" to the narrative - because that might make people feel bad and divide society.

Racism certainly isn't something that lingers on or is regaining strength. It's not something that walks through the halls of power. it's not something that fills social media and drives cultural narratives. And it CERTAINLY isn't something that's inside all of us, buried in unexamined biases and snap judgements. Because if it was, if it was still a real and even growing problem, that would make us uncomfortable. It would make us have to question society. It would make us have to question ourselves. And that's very scary.

So when an actress is viciously attacked because she's the wrong color, when hate flows freely in the discourse for years based on her race... that can't be "racism." It must be something reasonable and excusable. Because otherwise...

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I'm confused. Is it Rachel Zegler's Snow White or is it Bob Iger's Snow White? I just don't know who to believe anymore!

Technically I think it’s the last remnant of the short Chapek era… so maybe Bob Chapeks Snow White would be most accurate.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

There are opinions and then there are facts. You seem to be confusing them.

Here’s a fact… watching an all day track meet is a struggle. 4x100 starts at 8:45am, last race 4x400 at 4:00pm

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

For me, this always comes down to how people have different definitions for what racism is and looks like. I would guess that you fall closer to the camp of racism is direct personal negative action (slurs, overt refusal of services/opportunities, etc.) and not the more systemic meanings of the term.

Great post and likely very accurate, half of us probably view it one way and the other half the other way, which is why we’ll never see eye to eye on what is, and what isn’t, racist.