Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

AdventureHasAName

AdventureHasAName

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Casper Gutman said:
This is exactly correct. There are a lot of assumptions at work here - racism is when you put on a hood and shout slurs. It's something alien, something out there. It's done by people on the very fringes of society, powerless, probably poor or otherwise marginalized. It's also something in the past, a past that ended completely and totally at some vague date and now has no influence whatsoever on modern society, no matter how prevalent and ingrained it might have been even a few decades ago. And we shouldn't talk about that past too much - at least not the parts after the Civil War brought a convenient and triumphant "happy end" to the narrative - because that might make people feel bad and divide society.

Racism certainly isn't something that lingers on or is regaining strength. It's not something that walks through the halls of power. it's not something that fills social media and drives cultural narratives. And it CERTAINLY isn't something that's inside all of us, buried in unexamined biases and snap judgements. Because if it was, if it was still a real and even growing problem, that would make us uncomfortable. It would make us have to question society. It would make us have to question ourselves. And that's very scary.

So when an actress is viciously attacked because she's the wrong color, when hate flows freely in the discourse for years based on her race... that can't be "racism." It must be something reasonable and excusable. Because otherwise...
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Umm ... so are you calling him (and a large portion of the message board) a racist? Or not calling him a racist? Your most recent posts contradict themselves.
 
Disney Irish

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Farerb said:
Disney Irish

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Farerb said:
The controversy surrounding Erivo was mild and mostly just cringeworthy. With Rachel it was just controversy after controversy after controversy, and I think most people are aware even if they don't know every minutiae. All it takes is for someone to tell them "hey did you hear what the actress from Disney's upcoming Snow White remake said?" to make them decide "well then not going to watch the movie now".
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You’re making the assumption that the majority (or even half) the movie going public pays attention, most don’t.

Don’t take our little slice of the internet as some indication...
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Chi84

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Vegas Disney Fan said:
I think that’s already going to happen, this film has had more bad press and negativity surrounding it than any other film I can recall, unless the word of mouth is so good it overrides all the previous press I think it’s already beyond the point half the country will ever give it a chance.
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I think you’re far over-estimating the number of people who know or care about early publicity.

I'll bet the average person doesn’t have this on their radar screen and the first they’ll see or hear of it will be the trailer, which looks great.
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Chi84

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LSLS said:
So personally, looks awful to me. I've been on record for a while that I hate the straight remakes, and this feels like that is exactly what it is (though the actors said otherwise, so who knows at this point).

But, for those worried about the CGI (which does look really awful), that stuff usually does get cleaned up a lot between trailer and release, so don't read TOO much into it. I do agree with whoever said the hair looks bad on her though. I couldn't figure out what looked so off, and that is absolutely what it was. Guess we will see what happens next year.
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It can’t be a...
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Chi84

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Tha Realest said:
This is a great point. It’s a bit of recency bias to complain the film was short. For reference, few modern animated films are that much longer than Snow White’s runtime, and falls well within the mean of WDAS output over the decades:

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There is length and there is length. What I’m saying is a modern audience would not sit through 80 minutes with so little plot or action.

That’s probably more an indictment of the attention spans of current audiences than the original film, but having recently watched the original I’m confident in my opinion.
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Not one of those posts are about making a prediction on the movies success, they were only discussing the movie compared to the original as that was the discussion happening. Or how well informed someone is on the latest controversy outside of this forum.

For myself I’ve never made a prediction about how it would do, or if I did it was so long ago before any of the recent discussions I’ve forgotten. As of now I still don’t know how it’ll do, it may bomb or it may do ok, we’ll have to wait and see.

Look, you want to bash on the film, call it names, call the actresses involved names, or whatever be my guest. But at least be honest about your fellow posters and don’t cast aspersions just because they disagree with you.
 
Vegas Disney Fan

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Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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AdventureHasAName said:
Umm ... so are you calling him (and a large portion of the message board) a racist? Or not calling him a racist? Your most recent posts contradict themselves.
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Everybody has racial biases. You, me, everyone. That doesn’t make everyone a “racist.” It also doesn’t free us from responsibility for honesty and introspection. And it doesn’t give us the right to rewrite history or ignore uncomfortable facts.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think I’ve ever called anyone here a racist.
 
Casper Gutman

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I’m curious - did any of the posters defending Zegler expect the film to do well? I’ve always expected a bomb, and not primarily because of the hate campaign. Snow White is not particularly relevant to modern audiences, it’s a hard film to adapt, fewer films are hits for a lot of reasons, and most of the live-action remakes are mediocre at best.
 
Prince-1

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Casper Gutman said:
I’m curious - did any of the posters defending Zegler expect the film to do well? I’ve always expected a bomb, and not primarily because of the hate campaign. Snow White is not particularly relevant to modern audiences, it’s a hard film to adapt, fewer films are hits for a lot of reasons, and most of the live-action remakes are mediocre at best.
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TP found one person who apparently thought that Snow White was gonna be a success. Apparently there are other people, but he has yet to find them in his exhaustive searching through various threads.

But to answer your question, no, no one thought that Snow White was going to be a runaway hit.
 
AdventureHasAName

AdventureHasAName

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Chi84 said:
You post some strange stuff. What I’m saying is that if you read his posts they say what they say without calling anyone names.
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He's passive-aggressively insulting a large portion of the message board in a fashion so that he can try and claim plausible deniability. It's the "I never specifically called anyone a racist, I just took verbiage from their posts and said that anyone who uses that verbiage is behaving in a racist fashion" defense. It's a way of intentionally blowing up the thread, but doing so in a way that he can claim he didn't start the insulting discourse.

I'm simply pointing it out publicly so that when the moderator inevitably enters the thread and wipes 1/4th of the posts out (again), she hopefully realizes how and why it started (again).
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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AdventureHasAName said:
He's passive-aggressively insulting a large portion of the message board in a fashion so that he can try and claim plausible deniability. It's the "I never specifically called anyone a racist, I just took verbiage from their posts and said that anyone who uses that verbiage is behaving in a racist fashion" defense. It's a way of intentionally blowing up the thread, but doing so in a way that he can claim he didn't start the insulting discourse.

I'm simply pointing it out publicly so that when the moderator inevitably enters the thread and wipes 1/4th of the posts out (again), she hopefully realizes how and why it started (again).
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I choose my words carefully and I have been honest about my opinions.

It’s worth noting that you don’t think the endless attacks on Zegler are “blowing up the thread,” the posters pushing back on them are.
 
Agent H

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AdventureHasAName said:
He's passive-aggressively insulting a large portion of the message board in a fashion so that he can try and claim plausible deniability. It's the "I never specifically called anyone a racist, I just took verbiage from their posts and said that anyone who uses that verbiage is behaving in a racist fashion" defense. It's a way of intentionally blowing up the thread, but doing so in a way that he can claim he didn't start the insulting discourse.

I'm simply pointing it out publicly so that when the moderator inevitably enters the thread and wipes 1/4th of the posts out (again), she hopefully realizes how and why it started (again).
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When @themom comes back and deletes a bunch of posts the blame will be on all of us. We should just hope the thread doesn’t get shut down.
 
Chi84

Chi84

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AdventureHasAName said:
He's passive-aggressively insulting a large portion of the message board in a fashion so that he can try and claim plausible deniability. It's the "I never specifically called anyone a racist, I just took verbiage from their posts and said that anyone who uses that verbiage is behaving in a racist fashion" defense. It's a way of intentionally blowing up the thread, but doing so in a way that he can claim he didn't start the insulting discourse.

I'm simply pointing it out publicly so that when the moderator inevitably enters the thread and wipes 1/4th of the posts out (again), she hopefully realizes how and why it started (again).
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What you describe is not “passive-aggressive” behavior. You can trust me on that one.

But you’re correct about discussing social/political issues being against the TOS.
 

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