Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[erasure fan1]

Have people expressed similar outrage over James Cameron's recent political statements? Is there any big move to boycott the remaining Avatar movies? Or is he, perhaps, too big to pick on?

Honestly I'm not sure. But if there's an avatar movie that is vulnerable, it's this next one in my opinion. So if you off enough people, you might find yourself with a significant drop. If it does another 2bil, well it's probably untouchable. I think the difference with Cameron and Zegler is he's been a proven money maker for a very long time. The big difference, I believe, is Cameron went off on the administration and his opinion about what's happening. Unless there's something different that I haven't seen so please quote if it's something different. What he didn't do was insult and hate and wish ill on the people who voted for him.

Comments like this fudge the timeline and gloss over the fact that the anger towards her was already at boiling point well before she made her political remarks.

How so? I said it was a problem with the original film comments, and that just fueled that vocal group to just keep attacking. That's the timeline. The og film stuff then the political. Did she deserve all the hate for the original movie comments? No. But knowing how people were reacting, makes the political comments even more baffling.

 

[brideck]

Honestly I'm not sure. But if there's an avatar movie that is vulnerable, it's this next one in my opinion. So if you off enough people, you might find yourself with a significant drop. If it does another 2bil, well it's probably untouchable. I think the difference with Cameron and Zegler is he's been a proven money maker for a very long time. The big difference, I believe, is Cameron went off on the administration and his opinion about what's happening. Unless there's something different that I haven't seen so please quote if it's something different. What he didn't do was insult and hate and wish ill on the people who voted for him.

My perspective (from observing general sentiment on social media) is that making either type of statement is more or less equivalent in the eyes of a true believer. After all, celebrities should just keep their mouths shut about politics, no?

If anything, one is a deeply held position and the other was an off-the-cuff impassioned statement that went too far (but is probably informed by a similar deeply held position to Cameron's). People should take no more offense at the second one, since it's been apologized for. Humans are emotional beings who inadvertently let slip terrible things all the time. Some people even say terrible things all the time on purpose. (On the Internet, we call them trolls.) Zegler is far from that kind of person. Recognizing that and having the ability to forgive should be commonplace.

 

[Chi84]

The news/tabloids/youtubers report on what get clicks, it’s more profitable to pick on disliked people.

I had not heard about any controversy so I googled it all I could find was he’s moving to New Zealand because he thinks T is destroying the US and he finds it horrifying… which is a fairly normal thing to say about a politician you don’t like, a pretty far cry from saying you hope people who voted for him never find peace though.

Right. And what did Halle Bailey do?

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

New Elio trailer out tomorrow.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Right. And what did Halle Bailey do?

I don’t remember any outlets (YouTube or other) I watch reporting on any controversial comments from her. Maybe I missed them. I remember a lot of people upset Disney cast a black actor as Ariel but that’s it.

The only “rage” channel I watch is the Critical Drinker and I just looked and he did 1 video on the little mermaid, a review, that got 2.2 million views… he’s done 8 videos on Snow White with a combined total over 23 million views. Bailey seemed to avoid the rage machine much better than Zegler is.

 

[LittleBuford]

How so? I said it was a problem with the original film comments

You didn’t, though (I just reread your post to make sure). You referred only to her political remarks. Someone reading your post who was unfamiliar with what had actually happened would justifiably come away with the notion that all the outrage surrounding Zegler stemmed from those political remarks when, as we all know, it predated them by many months.

 

[erasure fan1]

It seems this movie is directed toward kids and families. The people who don't like her political comments would have to not take their kids to a film they would otherwise see because of comments that have nothing to do with the film. That seems juvenile/petty to me, but again that's just my opinion.

I don't think it's really that juvenile or petty. It sounds pretty normal to me. Not supporting someone who you don't agree with has been going on forever. That's why I've said many times, if you off the parents, you could very well lose a bunch of the kids. You have to separate the art from artists, at least for some things. But most people have a line somewhere that if a celebrity crosses, they're not supporting. For myself, one is will smith as an example. He assaulted someone on national tv, I'll probably never watch anything he ever does again.

 

[LittleBuford]

The news/tabloids/youtubers report on what get clicks, it’s more profitable to pick on disliked people.

I had not heard about any controversy so I googled it all I could find was he’s moving to New Zealand because he thinks T is destroying the US and he finds it horrifying… which is a fairly normal thing to say about a politician you don’t like, a pretty far cry from saying you hope people who voted for him never find peace though.

Wait, you’re seriously saying it’s normal to emigrate because you hate the leader of your country?! That seems a rather extraordinary step to take in my opinion. I very much doubt people would have reacted so calmly to those remarks had they come from Zegler.

 

[LittleBuford]

For context:

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Having watched the video, it seems he had already moved to New Zealand anyway. But my point still stands. Had Zegler (or Mackie) said what Cameron did, the relevant threads would have been filled with outraged posts.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Wait, you’re seriously saying it’s normal to emigrate because you hate the leader of your country?! That seems a rather extraordinary step to take in my opinion. I very much doubt people would have reacted so calmly to those remarks had they come from Zegler.

Countless people threaten to move every election, he just has the means and the fortitude to do it. My own brother tried to move to Canada in 2016, their immigration laws are so strict he couldn’t get a Visa though.

 

[LittleBuford]

Countless people threaten to move every election, he just has the means and the fortitude to do it. My own brother tried to move to Canada in 2016, their immigration laws are so strict he couldn’t get a Visa though.

See the post following the one you quoted.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Disney's media team is saying Snow White cost only 240 million.

Even though Forbes already reported by the end of 2023 they already spent 269.4 million. And they've done loads of reshoots since then.

 

[Casper Gutman]

To reiterate: the rage at Zegler began because of her race. Her comments about the original film, taken out of context, were amplified because of the rage based on her race. People are free to criticize her comments. They are not free to rewrite the history behind the hate campaign against her.

If this board is meant to stay apolitical (an impossible goal in any case), why is this nakedly political topic allowed to fester?

 

[MickeyMouse10]

To reiterate: the rage at Zegler began because of her race. Her comments about the original film, taken out of context, were amplified because of the rage based on her race. People are free to criticize her comments. They are not free to rewrite the history behind the hate campaign against her.

If this board is meant to stay apolitical (an impossible goal in any case), why is this nakedly political topic allowed to fester?

Quit lying about this stuff. People don't like her because she is an awful and pompous person. Everyone normal is sick of you guys lying about this stuff. To deflect criticism.

 

[donaldtoo]

Disney's media team is saying Snow White cost only 240 million.

Even though Forbes already reported by the end of 2023 they already spent 269.4 million. And they've done loads of reshoots since then.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Quit lying about this stuff. People don't like her because she is an awful and pompous person. Everyone normal is sick of you guys lying about this stuff. To deflect criticism.

You can dislike her for any reason you like.

That doesn’t change the things that actually happened or the order in which they happened.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

If this movie stinks, then it stinks.

You guys always want to use this shield everytime. It's not helping your beloved Disney. Disney has made bad decision after bad decision. Snow White was miscast, the Queen was miscast and the Dwarves were miscast. Quit lying!

 

[MickeyMouse10]

You can dislike her for any reason you like.

That doesn’t change the things that actually happened or the order in which they happened.

It's not racism to say someone isn't right for the part. Like I said in my previous post. No one in this movie was cast right.

 

[Disstevefan1]

To reiterate: the rage at Zegler began because of her race.

1 Million percent wrong (to paraphrase Knuckles).

 

[Casper Gutman]

If this movie stinks, then it stinks.

You guys always want to use this shield everytime. It's not helping your beloved Disney. Disney has made bad decision after bad decision. Snow White was miscast, the Queen was miscast and the Dwarves were miscast. Quit lying!

The actress cast as Snow White was an age-appropriate, talented, charismatic, photogenic rising star with a high-profile recent history as lead in one of the very few big-budget musicals Hollywood still produces and a personal connection to the character. That certainly seems like dream casting. How was she miscast?