Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Trauma]

And yet if its a well reviewed movie that does well there will be excuses made by the other side as well, such as "paid reviews" and "people just saw it because of nostalgia" and any other number of excuses I've seen thrown around here for years when a Disney movie does well.

I could care less about reviews. Does it make money or not.

If yes then it’s a success, if no it’s a failure.

Very simple.

 

[Trauma]

It's easier to pick on young women.

These statements are beyond ridiculous.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

If Snow is a good movie folks will go to see it and tell their friends its as simple as that.

A lot probably will, a lot of others probably won’t, this could be the greatest movie ever made and a large portion of the people who don’t like her will never give it a chance.

That’s the problem with entertainment, with endless options no one needs to see anything so it becomes extremely easy to “boycott” something even if you never intentionally meant to.

Once the damage is done it’s impossible to undo it, all you can hope for is to minimize it.

 

[Disney Irish]

I could care less about reviews. Does it make money or not.

If yes then it’s a success, if no it’s a failure.

Very simple.

If it was really that simple then we wouldn’t have hundreds of thousands of pages across multiple threads discussing the Box Office.

 

[Chi84]

These statements are beyond ridiculous.

Ridiculous but true, just like a lot of things these days

 

[Trauma]

Ridiculous but true, just like a lot of things these days

Aww did someone say something mean about the poor little hate filled millionaire ?

She is a public figure and all public figures are subject to intense scrutiny.

If she doesn’t like it she can always step away from the spotlight.

 

[Willmark]

I think it’s at step #9 in the process?

Post in thread 'Captain Marvel 2: "The Marvels" -- Nov 10, 2023 Theatrical Release'

Nov 11, 2023

Is this the part where we say money doesn’t matter and as long as one…”fan”…says it’s “good”…then disney succeeded?

…been at least a month since we rolled down that street

Usually it goes something like this:

1. Movie gets announced.
2. Trailers get released.
3. Endless back and forth that the movie can't possibly be judged on 1:30 of a trailer.
4. Speculation mounts as good or bad press leaks out.
5. Some other detail of fragment of the movie leaks out. Usually, not good.
6. Queue commentary of "how about you wait until its released."
7. Movie is hailed as a critical...

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For my own part I have no particular interest in seeing this, the first movie that has caught my interest this year is FF so I’m more of an observer of the SW proceedings.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It's easier to pick on young women.

The news/tabloids/youtubers report on what get clicks, it’s more profitable to pick on disliked people.

I had not heard about any controversy so I googled it all I could find was he’s moving to New Zealand because he thinks T is destroying the US and he finds it horrifying… which is a fairly normal thing to say about a politician you don’t like, a pretty far cry from saying you hope people who voted for him never find peace though.

 

[erasure fan1]

Have people expressed similar outrage over James Cameron's recent political statements? Is there any big move to boycott the remaining Avatar movies? Or is he, perhaps, too big to pick on?

Honestly I'm not sure. But if there's an avatar movie that is vulnerable, it's this next one in my opinion. So if you off enough people, you might find yourself with a significant drop. If it does another 2bil, well it's probably untouchable. I think the difference with Cameron and Zegler is he's been a proven money maker for a very long time. The big difference, I believe, is Cameron went off on the administration and his opinion about what's happening. Unless there's something different that I haven't seen so please quote if it's something different. What he didn't do was insult and hate and wish ill on the people who voted for him.

Comments like this fudge the timeline and gloss over the fact that the anger towards her was already at boiling point well before she made her political remarks.

How so? I said it was a problem with the original film comments, and that just fueled that vocal group to just keep attacking. That's the timeline. The og film stuff then the political. Did she deserve all the hate for the original movie comments? No. But knowing how people were reacting, makes the political comments even more baffling.

 

[brideck]

Honestly I'm not sure. But if there's an avatar movie that is vulnerable, it's this next one in my opinion. So if you off enough people, you might find yourself with a significant drop. If it does another 2bil, well it's probably untouchable. I think the difference with Cameron and Zegler is he's been a proven money maker for a very long time. The big difference, I believe, is Cameron went off on the administration and his opinion about what's happening. Unless there's something different that I haven't seen so please quote if it's something different. What he didn't do was insult and hate and wish ill on the people who voted for him.

My perspective (from observing general sentiment on social media) is that making either type of statement is more or less equivalent in the eyes of a true believer. After all, celebrities should just keep their mouths shut about politics, no?

If anything, one is a deeply held position and the other was an off-the-cuff impassioned statement that went too far (but is probably informed by a similar deeply held position to Cameron's). People should take no more offense at the second one, since it's been apologized for. Humans are emotional beings who inadvertently let slip terrible things all the time. Some people even say terrible things all the time on purpose. (On the Internet, we call them trolls.) Zegler is far from that kind of person. Recognizing that and having the ability to forgive should be commonplace.

 

[Chi84]

The news/tabloids/youtubers report on what get clicks, it’s more profitable to pick on disliked people.

I had not heard about any controversy so I googled it all I could find was he’s moving to New Zealand because he thinks T is destroying the US and he finds it horrifying… which is a fairly normal thing to say about a politician you don’t like, a pretty far cry from saying you hope people who voted for him never find peace though.

Right. And what did Halle Bailey do?

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

New Elio trailer out tomorrow.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Right. And what did Halle Bailey do?

I don’t remember any outlets (YouTube or other) I watch reporting on any controversial comments from her. Maybe I missed them. I remember a lot of people upset Disney cast a black actor as Ariel but that’s it.

The only “rage” channel I watch is the Critical Drinker and I just looked and he did 1 video on the little mermaid, a review, that got 2.2 million views… he’s done 8 videos on Snow White with a combined total over 23 million views. Bailey seemed to avoid the rage machine much better than Zegler is.

 

[LittleBuford]

How so? I said it was a problem with the original film comments

You didn’t, though (I just reread your post to make sure). You referred only to her political remarks. Someone reading your post who was unfamiliar with what had actually happened would justifiably come away with the notion that all the outrage surrounding Zegler stemmed from those political remarks when, as we all know, it predated them by many months.

 

[erasure fan1]

It seems this movie is directed toward kids and families. The people who don't like her political comments would have to not take their kids to a film they would otherwise see because of comments that have nothing to do with the film. That seems juvenile/petty to me, but again that's just my opinion.

I don't think it's really that juvenile or petty. It sounds pretty normal to me. Not supporting someone who you don't agree with has been going on forever. That's why I've said many times, if you off the parents, you could very well lose a bunch of the kids. You have to separate the art from artists, at least for some things. But most people have a line somewhere that if a celebrity crosses, they're not supporting. For myself, one is will smith as an example. He assaulted someone on national tv, I'll probably never watch anything he ever does again.

 

[LittleBuford]

The news/tabloids/youtubers report on what get clicks, it’s more profitable to pick on disliked people.

I had not heard about any controversy so I googled it all I could find was he’s moving to New Zealand because he thinks T is destroying the US and he finds it horrifying… which is a fairly normal thing to say about a politician you don’t like, a pretty far cry from saying you hope people who voted for him never find peace though.

Wait, you’re seriously saying it’s normal to emigrate because you hate the leader of your country?! That seems a rather extraordinary step to take in my opinion. I very much doubt people would have reacted so calmly to those remarks had they come from Zegler.

 

[LittleBuford]

For context:

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Having watched the video, it seems he had already moved to New Zealand anyway. But my point still stands. Had Zegler (or Mackie) said what Cameron did, the relevant threads would have been filled with outraged posts.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Wait, you’re seriously saying it’s normal to emigrate because you hate the leader of your country?! That seems a rather extraordinary step to take in my opinion. I very much doubt people would have reacted so calmly to those remarks had they come from Zegler.

Countless people threaten to move every election, he just has the means and the fortitude to do it. My own brother tried to move to Canada in 2016, their immigration laws are so strict he couldn’t get a Visa though.

 

[LittleBuford]

Countless people threaten to move every election, he just has the means and the fortitude to do it. My own brother tried to move to Canada in 2016, their immigration laws are so strict he couldn’t get a Visa though.

See the post following the one you quoted.

 

[Casper Gutman]

To reiterate: the rage at Zegler began because of her race. Her comments about the original film, taken out of context, were amplified because of the rage based on her race. People are free to criticize her comments. They are not free to rewrite the history behind the hate campaign against her.

If this board is meant to stay apolitical (an impossible goal in any case), why is this nakedly political topic allowed to fester?