Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Tony the Tigger]

Also relevant in this regard are Emma Watson’s remarks:

I was like, “The first shot of the movie cannot be Belle walking out of this quiet little town carrying a basket with a white napkin in it. We need to rev things up!”​

And rev things up they did, including by turning LeFou gay!

None of this stirred much feeling at the time as far as I can recall.

Also, re: Cinderella:

 

[Stripes]

That was my point exactly. He's actually working. While seven other actors with dwarfism are not.

The dwarfs in Snow White are not real-life people with dwarfism. They are mythical, fantasy creatures with highly exaggerated features that are not found in real-life dwarfs. They are akin to elves or gnomes.

VFX Animation was the most appropriate tool to depict the dwarfs as closely as possible to Walt’s vision of the characters.

 

[BlakeW39]

The dwarfs in Snow White are not real-life people with dwarfism. They are mythical, fantasy creatures with highly exaggerated features that are not found in real-life dwarfs. They are akin to elves or gnomes.

VFX Animation was the most appropriate tool to depict the dwarfs as closely as possible to Walt’s vision of the characters.

"Walt's vision" for these characters was for them to be designed as cartoons. They cannot simply be directly adapted into "live action." Things that are expressive, or endearing, or comical in a cartoon are weird and off putting in a realistic setting. Taking cartoon characters like the dwarves, with cartoon anatomy and proportions.... and then sticking on realistic human skin, hair, and clothes is ugly and disturbing. No clue how the people making these films greenlight this stuff with their eyes open.

 

[LittleBuford]

The dwarfs in Snow White are not real-life people with dwarfism. They are mythical, fantasy creatures with highly exaggerated features that are not found in real-life dwarfs. They are akin to elves or gnomes.

This is true of the remake, where it’s made clear they’re nonhuman, but the dwarfs in the original might certainly be interpreted as little (human) people—that’s how I’ve always seen them. They’re called “little men” in the film and are not portrayed as having any magical qualities. Their exaggerated features don’t really tell us anything, as comic characters are often portrayed in caricatural terms in Disney films.

 

[erasure fan1]

Indifference is not caring, which is not what you’re describing at all. If you’re bothered enough by someone to avoid watching a film they star in, you are certainly not indifferent towards them, even

I was told I had faux outrage. No, I'm indifferent to this situation. I wasn't going to see this in the theater before she made her comments. So what she said made no difference for me. It's no secret that I'm not a fan of the remakes. If anyone is paying attention, I've been arguing against people downplaying what she said and the impact it could have. I'm absolutely not indifferent to Will Smith. That was an example of how that situation can happen.

 

[LittleBuford]

I was told I had faux outrage. No, I'm indifferent to this situation. I wasn't going to see this in the theater before she made her comments. So what she said made no difference for me. It's no secret that I'm not a fan of the remakes. If anyone is paying attention, I've been arguing against people downplaying what she said and the impact it could have. I'm absolutely not indifferent to Will Smith. That was an example of how that situation can happen.

Your post appeared to be framing both reactions—to Smith (by you) and to Zegler (by others)—as indifference:

It's indifference. Example, I thought what will Smiths slap was disgusting. I won't ever see a Smith movie in a theater again. It's simple, it doesn't mesh with my values so I just ignore what he does. And to think that's not happened with Zegler, is a bit naive in my opinion. It's easy to not support people you don't like. And you don't even need to be outraged.​

You may feel indifferent towards Zegler, but those choosing not to see the film because of her by definition cannot be, just as you, as you acknowledge, are not indifferent towards Smith.

 

[erasure fan1]

I just dislike when people frame it as half the country being insulted when its really less than a quarter.

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I might have missed it, but where did Irish state that 75% of the country supports the “other side?” They stated that 3/4ths of potential viewers were not included in Zegler’s condemnation, which is verifiably true.

Please go back and reread what I actually posted because no where did I claim that.

Lets break it down.

"I just dislike when people frame it as half the country being insulted"

Meaning I framed it as half the people not actual voters. So that's the information that's being referenced.

"when its really less than a quarter."

Now your first part was infact referencing all people. And the 2nd part is part of the same sentence and thought. So if it's not half of the people, it's less than a quarter. That leaves 75%+ the other direction.

So yes I reread what you said. And it's exactly what it says. Now did you actually screw up the wording, or was it intentionally written that way to discredit my post? That's the question.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Not sure if this was already shared and I missed it but it was from a couple days ago, blue counties typically represent 67% of total movie ticket sales but only 60% of Snow Whites ticket sales, which ironically means it’s overperforming in red counties and underperforming in blue counties.

‘Snow White’: How Controversial Disney Princess Fared In Blue & Red County Cinemas – Box Office

'Snow White' did better in blue states at the domestic box office, however, the Disney movie overperformed in red states.

deadline.com

That analysis seems off to me. They use Dallas, San Antonio, and Phoenix as Hispanic cities that support the overall point of over indexing in red locations. Although Phoenix is in a red county, that county accounts for more than half the state’s population and the city itself is more blue. Neither the cities of Dallas and San Antonio nor the counties in which they reside are red.

 

[Casper Gutman]

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Lets break it down.

"I just dislike when people frame it as half the country being insulted"

Meaning I framed it as half the people not actual voters. So that's the information that's being referenced.

"when its really less than a quarter."

Now your first part was infact referencing all people. And the 2nd part is part of the same sentence and thought. So if it's not half of the people, it's less than a quarter. That leaves 75%+ the other direction.

So yes I reread what you said. And it's exactly what it says. Now did you actually screw up the wording, or was it intentionally written that way to discredit my post? That's the question.

Here’s what you said:

That's fairly ignorant to say. Why do I have to get over it? The ones who need to get over anything, are the ones that think she didn't alienate a huge part of the buying public and are making excuses for her. That's money this film desperately needed. And constantly trying to spin it. Quick question, wasn't the vote pretty close to 50/50?

You are very clearly implying that Zegler insulted half the American audience with her comments since the vote was 50/ 50. In fact, as Irish points out, half of the people who voted is not half of the potential audience for the film, which is the entire population of the country. Assuming every single voter for a particular candidate took umbrage at Zegler’s comments, that’s 25% or so of the US population.

You also continually claim to be indifferent to the film but you have posted extensively on the topic. In fact, as I pointed out, you were one of the very first to post after Zegler’s announcement.

 

[erasure fan1]

Your post appeared to be framing both reactions—to Smith (by you) and to Zegler (by others)—as indifference:

It's indifference. Example, I thought what will Smiths slap was disgusting. I won't ever see a Smith movie in a theater again. It's simple, it doesn't mesh with my values so I just ignore what he does. And to think that's not happened with Zegler, is a bit naive in my opinion. It's easy to not support people you don't like. And you don't even need to be outraged.​

You may feel indifferent towards Zegler, but those choosing not to see the film because of her by definition cannot be, just as you, as you acknowledge, are not indifferent towards Smith.

I get what you're saying but the post I was was referencing was accusing me of outrage. And that's not true. So it's an assumption that I was saying everyone was indifferent. The whole point was, yes people have a problem with it, they're not indifferent, and that's what I'm talking about and defending. And my slap example was a comparison of a situation that's similar that does upset me enough to not support an actor. Just like what she said, like it or not, did have that same effect on many. And to deny it seems pretty silly. As I've said, it's not the only thing that doomed this film.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It’s preposterous. She’s been in tons of huge blockbuster films, either as part of an ensemble or as a lead. So suddenly people discovered Miss Israel 2003 is Jewish?

Honestly, the thing that probably hurt Gadot with the most people was the awful Imagine video during the pandemic.

 

[Agent H]

I think society in general has become more nasty as we’ve become more isolated via technology, it’s ironic that we have more ways to communicate than ever before but that’s lead to more isolation and made it infinitely easier to be nasty since communication is rarely face to face anymore.

Online gaming is a great example of this, when I was a kid we played games side by side on the couch, we’d talk smack but you always knew if you pushed it too far there was a good chance you were getting punched, several years ago I played an online FPS game with my nephew and was absolutely shocked by what I heard, I’ve never heard people talk trash like that before, it was absolutely horrific and the level of abuse was relentless. My nephew said that’s normal and just part of the fun, I honestly don’t know how anyone could find that level of verbal abuse fun but to him it was just normal and just part of the game.

Yeah maybe I’m overreacting but I’m noticing a disturbing trend among my peers of thinking violence is funny.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Current prediction is a 68% drop for Snow White in its second weekend (worse than Dumbo), with $13.7 million total

Jason Statham’s ‘Working Man’ With $15M+ Opening Puts ‘Snow White’ To Sleep & Sends Jenna Ortega’s ‘Unicorn’ Out To Pasture – Sunday Box Office Update

Jason Statham's 'A Working Man' leading the weekend box office with $15M+ ahead of Jenna Ortega's 'Death of a Unicorn' and 'Snow White'

deadline.com

 

[Chi84]

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Lets break it down.

"I just dislike when people frame it as half the country being insulted"

Meaning I framed it as half the people not actual voters. So that's the information that's being referenced.

"when its really less than a quarter."

Now your first part was infact referencing all people. And the 2nd part is part of the same sentence and thought. So if it's not half of the people, it's less than a quarter. That leaves 75%+ the other direction.

So yes I reread what you said. And it's exactly what it says. Now did you actually screw up the wording, or was it intentionally written that way to discredit my post? That's the question.

Wait what?!

I can’t tell but did you subtract the indifferent people who decided not to see the film a year before its release?

 

[Farerb]

Current prediction is a 68% drop for Snow White in its second weekend (worse than Dumbo), with $13.7 million total

Jason Statham’s ‘Working Man’ With $15M+ Opening Puts ‘Snow White’ To Sleep & Sends Jenna Ortega’s ‘Unicorn’ Out To Pasture – Sunday Box Office Update

Jason Statham's 'A Working Man' leading the weekend box office with $15M+ ahead of Jenna Ortega's 'Death of a Unicorn' and 'Snow White'

deadline.com

They should just release it at Disney+ at this point.

 

[erasure fan1]

You are very clearly implying that Zegler insulted half the American audience with her comments since the vote was 50/ 50. In fact, as Irish points out, half of the people who voted is not half of the potential audience for the film, which is the entire population of the country.

You could at least quote the right thing. I mean come on. You quoted me asking, wasn't the VOTE 50/50. The vote was just about 50/50. I'll do it for you.

But I would like for you to post the quote of Pratt insulting half the country.

Here's where you fail, and not just you but your club too. You and your posse are quick to say, oh wait made up facts!!!! And then counter with, look at that, made up facts. Yes I said half, and I've said before it's potentially. That said, please point to the statistic that breaks down exactly what every person thought of what she said. Saying that potentially upsetting half the people is no less accurate than whatever nonsense you are pushing.

You also continually claim to be indifferent to the film but you have posted extensively on the topic. In fact, as I pointed out, you were one of the very first to post after Zegler’s announcement.

So I can't have an opinion? Oh I forgot, it doesn't align with yours, agenda!!! I have been clearly against the remakes from the start. And why have I posted so extensively on it? Because of people like you. The constant accusations and harassment. Hell, you did it in this post. At this Point I think you're just blind to it.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

"Walt's vision" for these characters was for them to be designed as cartoons. They cannot simply be directly adapted into "live action." Things that are expressive, or endearing, or comical in a cartoon are weird and off putting in a realistic setting.

I think this has been the downfall of most of the live action movie's, even the ones that have made a ton of money, they simply look “wrong”. There’s something charming and endearing about cartoons, that’s lost when they try to make something “real”.

We all know what a lion looks like and how a lion acts, when they try to combine reality with talking and non natural actions it feels wrong.

I enjoyed Mufasa but the entire time I felt like I was watching a presentation of CG technology, what they can do now is very impressive but it’s also a bit off putting because it still doesn’t “look” quite right.

 

[LittleBuford]

I think this has been the downfall of most of the live action movie's, even the ones that have made a ton of money, they simply look “wrong”. There’s something charming and endearing about cartoons, that’s lost when they try to make something “real”.

We all know what a lion looks like and how a lion acts, when they try to combine reality with talking and non natural actions it feels wrong.

I enjoyed Mufasa but the entire time I felt like I was watching a presentation of CG technology, what they can do now is very impressive but it’s also a bit off putting because it still doesn’t “look” quite right.

BRING BACK HAND-DRAWN ANIMATION!

Seriously, it’s so much more charming than computer animation (which I know wasn’t the point of your post, but I hope you’ll forgive me).

 

[Farerb]

BRING BACK HAND-DRAWN ANIMATION!

Seriously, it’s so much more charming than computer animation (which I know wasn’t the point of your post, but I hope you’ll forgive me).

Bob Iger will never do that.

 

[Agent H]

BRING BACK HAND-DRAWN ANIMATION!

Seriously, it’s so much more charming than computer animation (which I know wasn’t the point of your post, but I hope you’ll forgive me).

How about a compromise? Maybe we bring back the hybrid animation from wish?