Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Thera a very kind and charitable interpretation on your part.

It’s more honest that a lot of what we say…from a teenager. There’s always a lot to learn…especially amongst Disney fans

 

[Agent H]

Thera a very kind and charitable interpretation on your part.

I’m assuming you mean that’s a very kind and charitable interpretation on my part.

 

[coffeefan]

I’d say it was more bad timing than a bad idea.

The movie was developed during a time when people were critical of the classic princesses. If it had come out before the pandemic I think it would've been better received too.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The movie was developed during a time when people were critical of the classic princesses. If it had come out before the pandemic I think it would've been better received too.

Actually the politics around it have taken a pretty distinct reversal in recent months…

So if anything it should have gotten a “bump”…in a bizarre way.

The world turned upside down

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t take online posts (including whatever we say here) to be representative of what ordinary people out there in the real world think. Most people I know have no idea about any of these supposed controversies.

First right comment of the day…

Then it’s just unwanted…without some type of skull and bones conspiracy

Simple

 

[LittleBuford]

I’m assuming you mean that’s a very kind and charitable interpretation on my part.

Indeed—sorry for the typo!

 

[LittleBuford]

lol…nothing any of us says here means anything. It’s a couple dozen people kicking the ball around

Which is why I began my post with “I don’t think anyone here is especially influential”.

You don’t know me or what I believe or who I support. You don’t know “others” such as a TP or Erasure. How arrogant.

Why on earth do you think I’m talking about you? You’re not part of any network—you just barge in here periodically, misunderstand half of what we’re saying, and dump lots of word salad before disappearing until your next visit. Nor was I talking about @erasure fan1, so please don’t sow discord based on what you mistakenly think I’m saying.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Yeah really…because it’s blamed for everytime the overlord corp bombs a movie.

You gotta blame yourself…not me…because it’s been used so much the last 4 years it’s the boy that cried wolf.

The Majority of these movies just suck. Abe would not do well with or without Twitter and the lame Disney fanboy podcasts

Elemental is the one and only movie I can think of that got hit by “the network”…and it still worked out

You just don't actually read posts and constantly strawman what others have said.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The movie was developed during a time when people were critical of the classic princesses. If it had come out before the pandemic I think it would've been better received too.

Wow - why wasn't there a multiyear long torrent of hate directed at Bell for her seething hatred of Snow White? Why didn't the most powerful people in the world attack her?

 

[Agent H]

Indeed—sorry for the typo!

No worries.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Side note: I put Mufasa on D+, predicting it would be background fodder as I prepped for our first trip to Costa Rica this Sunday, wondering if it would even play all the way through (as I had seen it in theaters in early January.)

I ended up sitting down and watching all the way through (to the detriment of my laundry.)

It will be interesting to see the streaming numbers since Moana 2 is still relatively fresh to the platform.

Enjoy Costa Rica! We better se a TR!

 

[Disney Irish]

Hah! Pot meet kettle. The guy who always has to interject when people use their own numbers, comes out with this Gem. Where's this data that says over 3/4 of people support the other side? Just like the analogy post, if you are going to lecture, please play by your own rules.

Please go back and reread what I actually posted because no where did I claim that.

I might have missed it, but where did Irish state that 75% of the country supports the “other side?” They stated that 3/4ths of potential viewers were not included in Zegler’s condemnation, which is verifiably true.

100% correct, I did not and you got the exact meaning of the post.

 

[Agent H]

No, no, you mistake me. I love the song.

Just saying it wasn't really the most popular movie at the time, but seems to be quickly becoming a parks entertainment staple.

It’s my favorite part of happily ever after.

 

[LittleBuford]

Wow - why wasn't there a multiyear long torrent of hate directed at Bell for her seething hatred of Snow White? Why didn't the most powerful people in the world attack her?

Also relevant in this regard are Emma Watson’s remarks:

I was like, “The first shot of the movie cannot be Belle walking out of this quiet little town carrying a basket with a white napkin in it. We need to rev things up!”​

And rev things up they did, including by turning LeFou gay!

None of this stirred much feeling at the time as far as I can recall.

 

[Bullseye1967]

So I went and saw it. Mostly based on arguments here, but we wanted to get out of the house and we had a coupon. We would usually watch badly rated movies on streaming. Isn't it nice they always end up there? This was a train wreck. Who wrote this version? A live action is a human remake of a cartoon. This was a demented twist on nonsense. The whole story made little sense. It was like they had an ending and had to write a story to make it work. Not going to back anyone going against Rachel or Gal but I will say I wasted my money. There are probably a lot of people not seeing it for whatever reasons, but this is a bad movie. I wasted my money. If I streamed it I would have wasted my time.

 

[Baloo124]

Except for “Shiny”…that’s weird and stupid

That scene came outta nowhere didn't it. While I can't say I hated it, it certainly felt like a totally different movie was taking over.
Nostalgia Critic (Doug Walker) describes those types of odd, outta left-field movie scenes as a "Big Lipped Alligator Moment". There's a funny video on YouTube of he and Lindsay Ellis (Nostalgia Chick) breaking down those odd types of scenes. Can't share it here though due to non-forum-friendly language.

 

[LittleBuford]

So I went and saw it. Mostly based on arguments here, but we wanted to get out of the house and we had a coupon. We would usually watch badly rated movies on streaming. Isn't it nice they always end up there? This was a train wreck. Who wrote this version? A live action is a human remake of a cartoon. This was a demented twist on nonsense. The whole story made little sense. It was like they had an ending and had to write a story to make it work. Not going to back anyone going against Rachel or Gal but I will say I wasted my money. There are probably a lot of people not seeing it for whatever reasons, but this is a bad movie. I wasted my money. If I streamed it I would have wasted my time.

Why do you think the story makes little sense? Whether one likes the film or not, the plot isn’t difficult to follow.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Also relevant in this regard are Emma Watson’s remarks:

I was like, “The first shot of the movie cannot be Belle walking out of this quiet little town carrying a basket with a white napkin in it. We need to rev things up!”​

And rev things up they did, including by turning LeFou gay!

None of this stirred much feeling at the time as far as I can recall.

Also, re: Cinderella:

 

[Stripes]

That was my point exactly. He's actually working. While seven other actors with dwarfism are not.

The dwarfs in Snow White are not real-life people with dwarfism. They are mythical, fantasy creatures with highly exaggerated features that are not found in real-life dwarfs. They are akin to elves or gnomes.

VFX Animation was the most appropriate tool to depict the dwarfs as closely as possible to Walt’s vision of the characters.

 

[BlakeW39]

The dwarfs in Snow White are not real-life people with dwarfism. They are mythical, fantasy creatures with highly exaggerated features that are not found in real-life dwarfs. They are akin to elves or gnomes.

VFX Animation was the most appropriate tool to depict the dwarfs as closely as possible to Walt’s vision of the characters.

"Walt's vision" for these characters was for them to be designed as cartoons. They cannot simply be directly adapted into "live action." Things that are expressive, or endearing, or comical in a cartoon are weird and off putting in a realistic setting. Taking cartoon characters like the dwarves, with cartoon anatomy and proportions.... and then sticking on realistic human skin, hair, and clothes is ugly and disturbing. No clue how the people making these films greenlight this stuff with their eyes open.