Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Some specifically have said the internet “hate network” or “rage network” was destroying movies…a ridiculous nonsensical stance
That is different then your claim that they were saying it was "bred" here, which IS NOT what was said at all. So this is just you trying to spin what was said into some way to discredit what they said. Stop that Walt, I know you don't believe it but no reason to try to discredit someone with false truths. People say plenty of outlandish things on this site, we call out the ones that are blatantly untrue and discuss the rest.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I was thinking the same, I had the impression, and have responded to, a few people who have claimed the rage network has severely impacted the box office of movies.
I don't think its unreasonable to think it has an impact, just like I don't think its unreasonable to think it doesn't have an impact, both sides should be expected and discussed. But the claim that Walt made is that these same posters claim it was "bred" here, and no one made such a claim ever, just that it has an impact. So old Walt here is spinning some yarns.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I don’t know about other platforms but YouTube definitely has an impact on the “ outside world” my coworker expresses “opinions”that sound very much like things say the critical drinker has said
They probably watch that channel because it mirrors opinions they already believe though, a lot of those channels are great echo chamber examples, Nerdrotic is another good one. I watch both of them but that’s probably because I usually agree with their takes and I find their style of humor hilarious.

If they didn’t exist it wouldn’t change anything in my viewing habits though. They’ve never changed my mind on whether a movies good or bad.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think you're confusing what is actually being said versus what your takeaway is from what is being said. No one claimed anything of the sorts, maybe that was your takeaway from it, but that is not the actual posters intent of what was said. And as you know I've been involved in almost all these threads over the years, so I was around for it.

I think you want the record to more kind than it is. It got quite ugly and inappropriate on some of these. And for once…it can’t be put on me 🤪

We have quite a few conspiracy theorist on this site, especially surrounding the box office and Disney's place and impact on it. But this isn't one of them.
Indeed. Which is exactly what I mean

But this isn't one of them.

No one is qualified to be the judge/arbiter/gatekeeper on this

At least not universally
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
They probably watch that channel because it mirrors opinions they already believe though, a lot of those channels are great echo chamber examples, Nerdrotic is another good one. I watch both of them but that’s probably because I usually agree with their takes and I find their style of humor hilarious.

If they didn’t exist it wouldn’t change anything in my viewing habits though. They’ve never changed my mind on whether a movies good or bad.
Correct

Almost all the time…research is finding that media consumption is self-reinforcing
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
They probably watch that channel because it mirrors opinions they already believe though, a lot of those channels are great echo chamber examples, Nerdrotic is another good one. I watch both of them but that’s probably because I usually agree with their takes and I find their style of humor hilarious.

If they didn’t exist it wouldn’t change anything in my viewing habits though. They’ve never changed my mind on whether a movies good or bad.
My opinion is that many people unfortunately let these channels make decisions for them based on "biased" information. And if they didn't exist many would give whatever it is a chance, and many would end up actually liking it or at the very least leave with a better understanding of something instead of forming an uninformed opinion about something they know nothing about.
 

Agent H

Well-Known Member
They probably watch that channel because it mirrors opinions they already believe though, a lot of those channels are great echo chamber examples, Nerdrotic is another good one. I watch both of them but that’s probably because I usually agree with their takes and I find their style of humor hilarious.

If they didn’t exist it wouldn’t change anything in my viewing habits though. They’ve never changed my mind on whether a movies good or bad.
Maybe so but as I’ve said before this stuff brainwashes decent people into becoming what a YouTuber known as the birdman calls parrots people who parrot gifter opinions I would highly recommend ceasing your viewing of those channels
 

Agent H

Well-Known Member
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My opinion is that many people unfortunately let these channels make decisions for them based on "biased" information. And if they didn't exist many would give whatever it is a chance, and many would end up actually liking it or at the very least leave with a better understanding of something instead of forming an uninformed opinion about something they know nothing about.
I don’t know if they would change their opinions but I don’t need nor want them to this isn’t about defending Disney this is about a battle against misinformation and the worst of human traits
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I think you want the record to more kind than it is. It got quite ugly and inappropriate on some of these. And for once…it can’t be put on me 🤪
Um, I was deep involved in MANY of those discussions. I know how ugly it got, and how much the Mods had to clean up, thank you very much.

So no I don't think it was kind by any means. What I know is untrue, and this is 100% on you, is your claim that posters were claiming this stuff was "bred" here, which IS NOT what happened at all, ever.

Indeed. Which is exactly what I mean
Sure, backtrack now. LMAO

This is what you said -

...even though some are adamant the “anti Disney conspiracy” is bred here

And that is does not even come close to mean the same thing as what I posted, so maybe you misspoke here and now trying to backtrack.

No one is qualified to be the judge/arbiter/gatekeeper on this
Least of all you, so don't play like you are correct here because you aren't. No one claimed the Anti-Disney stuff was "bred" here, ever. And this is why I call out this crap, because you like to play gatekeeper.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
I don’t know if they would change their opinions but I don’t need nor want them to this isn’t about defending Disney this is about a battle against misinformation and the worst of human traits
It’s only misinformation if they’re lying though, they are giving personal opinions, they aren’t news channels, they aren’t factual channels, they are entertainment.

If we stopped watching everything people disagree with, and therefore feel is misinformation, propaganda, etc, we couldn’t watch anything, not even Disney.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
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I don’t know if they would change their opinions but I don’t need nor want them to this isn’t about defending Disney this is about a battle against misinformation and the worst of human traits
In the olden days before the internet became what is it now, people would actually have to form opinions for themselves based on actually becoming informed. It was only the uneducated that would form opinions based on others. Now unfortunately we become a world of the uninformed watching the latest 10 second clip thinking we're now informed.

As the old saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility, this is even more true when it comes to the vast amount of misinformation out there on social media.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It’s only misinformation if they’re lying though, they are giving personal opinions, they aren’t news channels, they aren’t factual channels, they are entertainment.

If we stopped watching everything people disagree with, and therefore feel is misinformation, propaganda, etc, we couldn’t watch anything, not even Disney.
The problem is too many take those personal opinions as factual news and form their opinions based on it. Long gone are the days when we had actual news forming opinions. All you have to do is look at the recent Mackie clip taken out of context as an example, it wasn't real news, it was all opinion based. And people form their opinion based on that, even if it was a misinformed opinion.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
My opinion is that many people unfortunately let these channels make decisions for them based on "biased" information. And if they didn't exist many would give whatever it is a chance, and many would end up actually liking it or at the very least leave with a better understanding of something instead of forming an uninformed opinion about something they know nothing about.
That’s actually not the case
Media is consumed fo reinforce opinions…not form them

And the air gets pushed back into the “theory” of the network…Incorrectly
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
The problem is too many take those personal opinions as factual news and form their opinions based on it. Long gone are the days when we had actual news forming opinions. All you have to do is look at the recent Mackie clip taken out of context as an example, it wasn't real news, it was all opinion based. And people form their opinion based on that, even if it was a misinformed opinion.
I’m sure there’s some that take it as gospel but my guess is it’s a very small number, Critical Drinker had a pretty bad review last week of Capt4 but the movies doing great, reviews are positive, and it’s exceeding expectations… his review may keep a couple butts at home but I suspect his actual influence is tiny, the majority aren’t watching him for a factual review, they’re watching his channel to be entertained and get his snarky take.

If I want a serious, neutral, review I go to sites like “Sean Chandler talks about” because he goes in depth with positives, negatives, pros, cons… an actual movie review rather than social commentary about it. He predicted Cap4 around $700 million, which is inline with my prediction.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
That’s action not the case
Media is consumed fo reinforce opinions…not form them

And the air gets pushed back into the “theory” of the network…Incorrectly
And you assume these people watch other more well vetted sources besides the Tubers and TikTok's, and that is something that cannot be assumed.

We come from a different generations (you being even a different generation from me) where we would go to multiple sources to verify information before fully forming an opinion. That just doesn't happen the same way anymore. I have long conversations with people in real life that just get their information from the latest 30 second clip. We as a society have become far to reliant on social media for information.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I’m sure there’s some that take it as gospel but my guess is it’s a very small number, Critical Drinker had a pretty bad review last week of Capt4 but the movies doing great, reviews are positive, and it’s exceeding expectations… his review may keep a couple butts at home but I suspect his actual influence is tiny, the majority aren’t watching him for a factual review, they’re watching his channel to be entertained and get his snarky take.

If I want a serious, neutral, review I go to sites like “Sean Chandler talks about” because he goes in depth with positives, negatives, pros, cons… an actual movie review rather than social commentary about it. He predicted Cap4 around $700 million, which is inline with my prediction.
I don't personally think Critical Drinker has an impact on many people, but that channel is just one of many. So that is not to say that the totality of social media doesn't have an impact, it does, there are far more people out there posting things similar to Critical Drinker than there are like Sean Chandler, and that doesn't even count all the people that clip things from those channels and share them on social media, ie its a cascading effect. So its not about one single channel, its about the thousands of others like them that spread the same opinion, and that is what people use to form their opinions. Again long gone are the days when in general people actually formed opinions for themselves and not based on some clip from social media, whether positive or negative.
 

Agent H

Well-Known Member
I’m sure there’s some that take it as gospel but my guess is it’s a very small number, Critical Drinker had a pretty bad review last week of Capt4 but the movies doing great, reviews are positive, and it’s exceeding expectations… his review may keep a couple butts at home but I suspect his actual influence is tiny, the majority aren’t watching him for a factual review, they’re watching his channel to be entertained and get his snarky take.

If I want a serious, neutral, review I go to sites like “Sean Chandler talks about” because he goes in depth with positives, negatives, pros, cons… an actual movie review rather than social commentary about it. He predicted Cap4 around $700 million, which is inline with my prediction.
Well I appreciate your opinion but from my perspective there are tons of people on YouTube who take him and other grifters seriously the people who do trust him to give an honest review of a film imo aren’t the best at critical thinking sidenote even if he was a perfectly normal YouTuber I still couldn’t watch him his voice sounds like nails on a chalkboard
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
And you assume these people watch other more well vetted sources besides the Tubers and TikTok's, and that is something that cannot be assumed.

We come from a different generations (you being even a different generation from me) where we would go to multiple sources to verify information before fully forming an opinion. That just doesn't happen the same way anymore. I have long conversations with people in real life that just get their information from the latest 30 second clip. We as a society have become far to reliant on social media for information.
You’re off the map.

I’m making no such assertion

I’m parroting the media studies that have increased exponentially over the last 10 years indicating what consumption patterns are

Basically…if you watch a review of movie and walk away hating it without seeing it…you were predisposed to hate it.

This is about movies…which is ultimately trivial…but the media effect is really affecting serious things with dire consequences across the board as well.

One of my biggest - of many - pet peeves around here is when people claim their opinion as no different than fact.
For instance “I think the parks are better than ever/great value”
That limits what the brain is meant to do…process data and make reasonable conclusions. Those assertions can’t be back up on a fact based analysis. Emotionally? - maybe. But not based on the actual situation.

Anyway…I don’t think review bombing is relevant…because the audience is showing up to the reviews with match to light it anyway
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Um, I was deep involved in MANY of those discussions. I know how ugly it got, and how much the Mods had to clean up, thank you very much.

So no I don't think it was kind by any means. What I know is untrue, and this is 100% on you, is your claim that posters were claiming this stuff was "bred" here, which IS NOT what happened at all, ever.


Sure, backtrack now. LMAO

This is what you said -



And that is does not even come close to mean the same thing as what I posted, so maybe you misspoke here and now trying to backtrack.


Least of all you, so don't play like you are correct here because you aren't. No one claimed the Anti-Disney stuff was "bred" here, ever. And this is why I call out this crap, because you like to play gatekeeper.
You didn’t read/follow again…and wasted 10 minutes of your time responding to what you had cooked up in your head.

It’s a talent…for sure (I think?…maybe?) 😎
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
You’re off the map.

I’m making no such assertion

I’m parroting the media studies that have increased exponentially over the last 10 years indicating what consumption patterns are

Basically…if you watch a review of movie and walk away hating it without seeing it…you were predisposed to hate it.

This is about movies…which is ultimately trivial…but the media effect is really affecting serious things with dire consequences across the board as well.

One of my biggest - of many - pet peeves around here is when people claim their opinion as no different than fact.
For instance “I think the parks are better than ever/great value”
That limits what the brain is meant to do…process data and make reasonable conclusions. Those assertions can’t be back up on a fact based analysis. Emotionally? - maybe. But not based on the actual situation.

Anyway…I don’t think review bombing is relevant…because the audience is showing up to the reviews with match to light it anyway
I'm not "off the map", if you think its having an effect on serious things but not on movies, I think you don't really understand how people actually consume things. They don't just all of a sudden stop paying attention to social media just because its about a movie, but then pay attention only when its something serious. Human don't work that way, sorry. And while some may be predisposed to not like something they found a similar opinion of on social media, the algorithms tend to work that way creating that echo chamber, prior to the internet most people would give a such a movie a chance before just outright saying no. So yes there is an impact, even if you don't believe it.
 

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