BrianLo
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You’ve already corrected for that appropriately though, no problem with that level of nuance. You don’t need to double correct.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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You’ve already corrected for that appropriately though, no problem with that level of nuance. You don’t need to double correct.
Disney Irish
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To add to what @BrianLo said, you also don't know the exact splits, it could be closer to 50%/30% for all we know. Each movie split is going to be different, as the 60/40 ratio was the more aggressive pre-pandemic ratio when Disney was known to turn the screws on the theaters. Its likely not the same anymore, and certainly not the same across all studios or movies, or the same for the entire theatrical run.
DisneyWarrior27
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Where's your analysis on Moana 2?
brideck
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Will Mufasa make it to profitability by it's 5th or 6th week? It could be a squeaker.
In addition to what the other folks have said, squeak nothing. How come you haven't shown the legs chart for this one? Mufasa is the recipient of this year's Christmas miracle. Here's the comp with last year's winner, Wonka.
Mufasa looks to be headed to maybe just a little shy of $300m domestically. If the split holds, that'd be north of $800m worldwide. Not too shabby.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That’s a ridiculous comment right there
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Is that what movie was being talked about?
The gotcha stuff is unnecessary
Nobody is disputing the success of inside out 2 or Moana 2…
No need to run interference for the bad with the good
brideck
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Ooh, ooh, which part? You're always so informative with your posts when cutting people down.
TP2000
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I’m wisely waiting for MLK Jr. Weekend’s box office to come in before we put that movie to bed...
I figured if I tried to do an update now when it hasn’t hit a Billion yet, I’d be accused of jumping the gun.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
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TP2000
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The notable difference between those two is that Wonka had a production budget that was 63% of the budget for Mufasa.
Thus, to make the same amount of profit that Wonka did, Mufasa would need to get to roughly $800 Million at the global box office, and it's fairly evident it won't do that. But maybe $600 Million-ish for Mufasa globally is achievable?
With Wonka costing less than two thirds the price of Mufasa, it crossed into profitability faster and easier than the road ahead for Mufasa on its current trajectory. Burbank loves a $200 Million movie, and even their "cheap" Made For TV movies (Moana 2) cost $150 Million. But Warner's made Wonka for $125 Million, so the box office profit looks like this...
Wonka: Production $125, Marketing $65, Domestic $131, Overseas $163 = $104 Million Profit
Mufasa: Production $200, Marketing $100, Domestic $101, Overseas $123 = $76 Million Loss and narrowing
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Wonka (2023) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of Wonka (2023) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
www.the-numbers.com
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The part where you said “it’s a shame you don’t like movies” to one of the most experienced Hollywood/movie industry commentators on the board.
Way to do your research
LittleBuford
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By his own telling, he doesn't watch the movies he comments on. He has stated this himself multiple times. For example:The part where you said “it’s a shame you don’t like movies” to one of the most experienced Hollywood/movie industry commentators on the board.
Way to do your research
He is. He called Moana 2's success only "modest" multiple times. There was a long exchange about it here a few weeks ago (you can search for it if you’re interested). :
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brideck
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The part where you said “it’s a shame you don’t like movies” to one of the most experienced Hollywood/movie industry commentators on the board.
Way to do your research
One only need read his movie-related posts, as I have been for over a year now, to know that experience in commenting does not an expert make. We've seen evidence of this phenomenon every day on cable news for years now, too. Don't assume that just because someone likes to comment on a topic, it means that they know anything about the topic.
brideck
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Cool cool cool. No one here said that Mufasa was going to be more profitable than Wonka. If you, in fact, even take the numbers from my rosy projection in that same post, you'll see that's not the case. [By the way you reckon it, it would land somewhere in the $50m-$75m profit range in the end.]
The comparison was to show the relative trajectory and that if Mufasa is to land where it now looks like it should be landing that it wouldn't be "squeaking" its way into profitability. But thanks for the superfluous charting, I guess.
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MagicMouseFan
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Everyone knew when The Phantom Menace trailer was released—it was a huge cultural moment. People even bought tickets to see Meet Joe Black in theaters just so they could watch the trailer, then left without staying for the movie.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Hey…Claire forlani was much more worth watching than that awful Star Wars movie
Phroobar
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Entertainment Tonight ran the trailer when it was released. There was news stories about people waiting months outside the theater just to see the Episode 1 trailer.
Entertainment Tonight and Extra always ran trailers for movies and reported on movie news. It was a sad day when they put Lisa Gibbons behind a desk on that show so we couldn't see her legs.
You mean the movie that became the 45th most popular of 1998
Different time…. There would of been people that would of bought a ticket to Mufasa to see the new Superman trailer if it was not as simple as a click of a button
MagicMouseFan
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Phantom Menace was different, the trailer was later made available online, but downloads were slow due to internet limitations at the time. It became one of the first major examples of online video hype, signaling how the internet would later transform movie marketing.
What Happened When The Phantom Menace's Trailer Was Shown In Theaters
There is a great deal of excitement swelling this week as audiences around North America get ready for their first ever look at J.J. Abrams' Star Wars: The Force Awakens. But do you remember the last time anticipation was this high about a new series of Star Wars movies?
www.cinemablend.com
I don’t know what your point is anymore… First Mufasa is a flop..then when it is performing better than thought Mufasa is still losing money…. Now that Mufasa has a path to profitability but look how much more Profits Wonka madeThe notable difference between those two is that Wonka had a production budget that was 63% of the budget for Mufasa.
Thus, to make the same amount of profit that Wonka did, Mufasa would need to get to roughly $800 Million at the global box office, and it's fairly evident it won't do that. But maybe $600 Million-ish for Mufasa globally is achievable?
With Wonka costing less than two thirds the price of Mufasa, it crossed into profitability faster and easier than the road ahead for Mufasa on its current trajectory. Burbank loves a $200 Million movie, and even their "cheap" Made For TV movies (Moana 2) cost $150 Million. But Warner's made Wonka for $125 Million, so the box office profit looks like this...
Wonka: Production $125, Marketing $65, Domestic $131, Overseas $163 = $104 Million Profit
Mufasa: Production $200, Marketing $100, Domestic $101, Overseas $123 = $76 Million Loss and narrowing
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Wonka (2023) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of Wonka (2023) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
The Naysayers have Said Disney is unhappy with the result…. Maybe 2019 would have been when they green lit the project if they could time travel…. I am sure Disney were fully aware the movie could fail… they see the trends, chatter, and projections…. But now that the movie is looking like it may even turn a profit…. I am sure they are very happy…. Especially since their films have grossed more with less films then any other studio
To be fair I never said The Phantom Menace was not a big deal….nor am I expecting Superman to perform better…. My original point was in response to someone who said they knew people who were not aware of the trailer…. My only point… I even knew people who were not aware of the episode 1 trailer at the timePhantom Menace was different, the trailer was later made available online, but downloads were slow due to internet limitations at the time. It became one of the first major examples of online video hype, signaling how the internet would later transform movie marketing.
What Happened When The Phantom Menace's Trailer Was Shown In Theaters
There is a great deal of excitement swelling this week as audiences around North America get ready for their first ever look at J.J. Abrams' Star Wars: The Force Awakens. But do you remember the last time anticipation was this high about a new series of Star Wars movies?