BuddyThomas
Well-Known Member
Nope. It’s the way you frame it. You declared Poor Things a flop before you even knew what it was.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
- Thread starter Disney Analyst
- Start date
Chi84
Premium Member
I disagree about it being pointless. The discussion there is best when it remains factual even if there aren’t as many posts.
Tha Realest
Well-Known Member
Even Disney’s leaders acknowledge there’s a problem with recent films (and entire, once-vaunted franchises) not finding an audience.Both positive and negative financial performance is discussed here. As most have greatly underperformed and lost money, that’s…reality. It’s not trolling.
Chi84
Premium Member
There’s some trolling, which is encouraged by those who find it entertaining. I can understand it, but either hit ignore or don’t complain about it
They absolutely don't have to be for everybody. As long as they can find a way to be profitable with a subset of the audience. So far Disney hasn't succeeded at that.
Chi84
Premium Member
They’ll figure it out. They certainly are all about the money when it comes to the parks.
On the bright side, that colossal bit of silliness is what prompted me to start contributing to this thread in the first place, and I've enjoyed at least some of the discussions we've had here since then. Speaking of which, with last weekend's official numbers Poor Things has started to track above The Favourite by a hair, which surpasses even my lofty initial expectations. It also made $10m overseas over the last week, so it shouldn't be too long before it's moved into unmitigated financial success territory. Not bad for a massive flop.
ODR Progress: 19/41
TP2000
Well-Known Member
It appears that Poor Things will have a tough time breaking even at the global box office, even with its modest $35 Million budget. And even with all of its nominations for awards shows that hardly anyone watches any more.
That's a box office flop. Or should we just call it a box office disappointment?
You are wrong Poor Things is not a floo it is at 81 million internationally with still 3 weeks to go before the Academy awards and is looking to surpass the directors last films gross… I am sure Disney is quite happy with the results… I would not be surprised if the film passes 100 million worldwide if it keeps up what it has been doing
That you continue to call it a flop is quite humorous… also shows your bias against Disney or perhaps just trolling… who can say at this point
You do realize that it'll get to run for at least 4 more weeks in all markets because of said nominations, right? I mean, you should, as it's what you've been repeatedly told in this very thread. And you do realize that if it wins some significant Oscars, it'll get to run for even longer than that? The Favourite only won Lead Actress and it got to run all the way to mid-April, which you'd know if you'd ever even glanced at the chart that I update weekly.
I mean, we're talking about a movie that grossed $13m WW last week after $17m the previous week. If it manages those kinds of holds through Oscars weekend, it could be knocking on the door of $110m. I don't know the foreign markets well enough to make any bold predictions, but I strongly disagree with your continued uninformed takes in this space.
Last edited:
TP2000
Well-Known Member
You both seem to be happy with losing money. From a company that lost lots of money in 2023. That isn't sustainable.
Poor Things needs to get to at least $100 Million to break even, assuming its $35 Million production budget was paired with a bare bones global marketing budget of only $15 Million.
If it gets past $100 Million, it breaks even and makes a few million bucks for Searchlight Pictures. How much has All Of Us Strangers cost them in losses? $15 Million? $20 Million?
And this early 2024 nail biter of a break even movie is on top of the more than $50 Million that Searchlight lost in 2023?
Not surprised with the no political rules on these forums… I am not sure how you can talk about Reedy Creek without getting political… I have avoided that thread as I figured it would just upset me…Knowing what some posters opinions are based on thier posting history
To be fair with the box office numbers, that is a pretty easy thing to poll in general.
I'm actually just really happy with good movies, which is the point of Searchlight. A financial success like the one Poor Things will be is just gravy.
I don't think it matters much if other options are avalible or not. People just don't want to see the products as much anymore as box office results show.
That being said, yes when a business falter's from a top, others or more competition will take its place.
While it may not be permanent. That is factually what you see happening.
For the Poor Things box office side of things. For it to be a financial success, it will have to have the Oscars give it a 20-30 million dollar box office boost.
Farerb
Well-Known Member
4 weeks? It's going to be released on digital in just 2 weeks from now. Most people would just wait for that at this point.
As Naruto would say, "Believe it!" A lot of theaters run Best Picture showcases the week before the Oscars, so you'll probably even see the screen count tick back up then. [Note: Although in the case of this year, that week will have Dune Part Two to contend with, so we'll see how that works in practice.] The Favourite was actually released on streaming on this very date 5 years ago, and it still made $4m at the domestic box office after that point.
And that's pVOD, right? So it'll still be making money hand over fist from people wanting to see it before the Oscars. We just won't get to know how much anymore.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
@MrPromey did a fabulous job recently explaining how these little artsy films work to bolster the artistic needs of that industry, and keep the creative juices flowing even if they end up costing the studio money. It was helpful, and convincing.
But my concern is that system of little artsy films as write offs was based on the assumption that the mega-budget summer and holiday popcorn movies would do big box office and make a big profit, subsidizing the little artsy films from the same company.
If the mega-budget summer and holiday movies are losing hundreds of millions of dollar apiece, how long can the little artsy films from Searchlight be subsidized by a studio empire bleeding money?
At some point, some sort of movie from a Disney studio needs to earn big bucks. Otherwise, this isn't sustainable.
TalkingHead
Well-Known Member
Given the weak box office for the weekend and the fact that Turning Red was popular with the Letterboxd crowd when it debuted on D+, I think objectively the $500k haul is shocking.
Lesson should be streaming is a black hole. Anything that goes directly there is almost immediately forgotten, which is food for thought in terms of $200m streaming content budgets. But the larger story should be just how dire the theatrical business is right now. It hung on during COVID but I’m skeptical about how it recovers from 2024.
Lesson should be streaming is a black hole. Anything that goes directly there is almost immediately forgotten, which is food for thought in terms of $200m streaming content budgets. But the larger story should be just how dire the theatrical business is right now. It hung on during COVID but I’m skeptical about how it recovers from 2024.
2023 was a great recovery year. A quarter of this year is rough becuase of the writer's strike.
You make a strong point I find with streaming too. Not as much sticks and it quickly forgotten.
I think Ghostbusters, Deadpool, Twisters, Dune, Inside Out, Wicked will have the theatrical pull pretty healthy among the moderate hits coming out too to support the total.