Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Miru

Well-Known Member
Until a few years ago I bought every Disney movie on Bluray on release day, which used similar release schedules as streaming, but I still saw the value in seeing many of those films in the theaters.

I think streaming is A factor but not the biggest factor to Disneys box office troubles, if they moved the streaming release back a year I don’t think it would have a huge affect on the box office, and it may be offset by D+ loses.



This highlights the bigger problem that the stories aren’t hooking people.

Despite all the recent releases being on D+ “for free” I’ve only watched most of them once, and a few I didn’t even bother finishing.

As I mentioned above I bought probably 99% of Disney movie on VHS/DVD/Blu-ray for probably 3 decades straight, I’m not sure I’d have bought the last dozen or so movies, they just aren’t something I think have repeat viewing potential.

Disney has lots of small problems but the biggest problem is stories that aren’t connecting with the audience.
Another major reason for that is what Disney are doing morally making the stories feel like hypocrisy. Again, them possibly ripping off Illumination may circumvent this; those movies usually aren’t about anything in particular.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Another major reason for that is what Disney are doing morally making the stories feel like hypocrisy. Again, them possibly ripping off Illumination may circumvent this; those movies usually aren’t about anything in particular.
People are criticizing Disney for making bland movies that aren’t about anything in particular.
 

Miru

Well-Known Member
That’s another odd comment because you’re the only one making this assertion up out of whole cloth that they’re supposedly going to rip off anything.
Last time Disney was in major trouble , they did rip off Dreamworks, the biggest studio at the time, and I’d argue Black Cauldron can be considered a Bluth ripoff as well.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Despite all the recent releases being on D+ “for free” I’ve only watched most of them once, and a few I didn’t even bother finishing.
I'm right there with you. I'm trying to think of things they've released in the last few years that I've watched a few times. All I can come up with is guardians 3, mando season 1&2 and muppets mayhem. There just hasn't been all that much that I've had to watch over and over again. I never finished a few things as well. There were a lot of things that were just ok, but there was also a lot of bad. Recent Disney has really been lacking in the great department.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Box office returns are just “legacy metrics.”

A generally unfavorable critical reception is “dogpiling.”

Expressing anything less than a uniformly positive view of things places you in the camp of racists.

All the excuses and rationalizations for Disney’s failures are pretty comical.
Disney is failing at the box office and there are reasons for it. People are discussing the reasons.
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
I guess I'm the only one who thinks "quick to D+" was a temporary strategy that coincided with both the worst of COVID and the launch of D+?

I guarantee you it was never meant to be "how it will be forever." They made the best of a bad situation by taking the opportunity to get more subscribers for their new service while there was no chance of box office anyway - which worked. I'm sure it will change to more of the standard model of however long it usually takes for something to get from the theater to HBO. Haunted Mansion made sense because they wanted to get it for Halloween.
 

Miru

Well-Known Member
Because their goal was not “great” nor “profitable” nor “global mass appeal”, it was “important”.

They continue to focus on this misguided goal and have damaged their once universally beloved, powerful brand and lost the global appeal of their films in the process.

There’s a four word phrase for this phenomenon used in society, but we can’t say it on this site because reasons - or something.

So we will just dance around the elephant in the room while they lose a billion dollars at the box office this year alone.
They have made small attempts to course correct, but it’s too late now and people are so jaded that they’re seeing that stuff when it isn’t there. Which isn’t helped at all by the fact that even the movies that lack the “important” goal are terrible as well, and they fact they scrap anything good that has said “important” goal.
 

TalkingHead

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Because their goal was not “great” nor “profitable” nor “global mass appeal”, it was “important”.

They continue to focus on this misguided goal and have damaged their once universally beloved, powerful brand and lost the global appeal of their films in the process.

There’s a four word phrase for this phenomenon used in society, but we can’t say it on this site because reasons - or something.

So we will just dance around the elephant in the room while they lose a billion dollars at the box office this year alone.
Except that phrase you’re alluding to could be contradicted by Spider-verse, one of the highest grossers of the year.

I think the current issue Disney is facing at the box office has as much to do with the perceived quality of their filmmaking. Spider-verse has a diverse cast but the films are also incredible to look at and well-told with characters who don’t conform to stereotypes. There’s a lesson in that.
 

Miru

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It’s worse than that - the nearly blind trust the brand had developed with parents and audiences around the world for a century that made Disney movies “must see” for global families has been squandered.

That is Iger’s lasting legacy.
And then again Iger used to have a prominent positive legacy in the form of the Disney Revival and MCU (plus smaller things like DCA 2.0), but all that is dead; the flaws of both aspects are now in plain view and ripe for mockery, the same conditions that created Shrek, except possibly even worse now. Iger will run his legacy so far into the ground that he’ll make Eisner’s look sterling, and Eisner also ran his legacy into the ground. I’d be more saying less that Iger’s running his legacy into the ground and more that he’s turning it inside out (ba dum -brick’d-).

See also, Shrek still lampoons Iger, who has congealed with Chapek to make “The Bobs”, in the form of Jack Horner, a sharp contrast to Farqaad (an Eisner spoof) in that Horner is a Complete Monster.
 

Miru

Well-Known Member
Except that phrase you’re alluding to could be contradicted by Spider-verse, one of the highest grossers of the year.

I think the current issue Disney is facing at the box office has as much to do with the perceived quality of their filmmaking. Spider-verse has a diverse cast but the films are also incredible to look at and well-told with characters who don’t conform to stereotypes. There’s a lesson in that.
There’s also The Owl House, and that’s more on Disney than Spiderverse is… and then Disney cancelled that in favor of pandering like Strange World. The more low-quality works like that they put out, the fewer people will be interested in those things actually being done right, thus sending everything hurtling backwards as a result.
 

Miru

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Diversity is not the issue. Pandering is the issue.

Black Panther, Rogue One, etc. were fantastic and huge hits.
Further, see that their non-pandering films are also flops; pandering is only one aspect of this; non-pandering films like Quantumania, that Nutcracker movie, etc. are still hot garbage, proving that now simply removing the pandering isn’t enough to save them.

I’d praise Wish as a step in the right direction… but they stumbled over and possibly broke their neck in the process, and it’s possible the right direction leads to a black hole. Iger, within a far shorter time than the 10 years some people are purporting, turned his entire legacy inside out, to the point I speculate that this is the true Iger and what we saw in that Revival era was Iger being held back by others in high places. Now they’re all gone except those who are in agreement with him. Much like how Eisner was dunked on by Shrek in the 2000s, Iger’s reign is dunked on by The Boys, but also Shrek (again), South Park…

On top of this spoofing, there are also much more serious re-appraisals of the Revival era films, often in a much more negative light.

I do think Disney can save their reputation, but should they be saved after all they have done? That is the operating word, should.
 
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TalkingHead

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Diversity is not the issue. Pandering is the issue.

Black Panther, Rogue One, etc. were fantastic and global, billion dollar hits.

Spider-Verse was original, cool, and compelling. Madame Web will be an embarrassing box office disaster.

It really isn’t that hard to tell the difference.
The phrase you’re referring to doesn’t make that distinction. Which is why it’s not worth even bringing up. This comes down to telling interesting stories in a cinematic way that engages the audience’s imagination.
 

Jedijax719

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No offense, but the comments about "they need to tell better stories" feels like a very lazy attack. I'd like to know how many of those who say it have tried writing their own stories. "Better stories" has got to be the most ambiguous and subjective excuse that can be made.

It really almost feels like there are many people in the industry who are trying to dissociate themselves with Disney.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
We know the VFX was rushed in some of these films, like Quantumania. The rush jobs put pressure on the VFX Teams and that caused them to push the budgets for the VFX to try to finish. Its a domino effect, if they would have a solid script that didn't require reshoots, that causes VFX to be rushed, then the budgets would be more in-line with a lower budget movie.

I bet if they wouldn't have rushed the VFX on Quantumania that could have cut at least $25-50M off the budget, potentially making it profitable.
So you’d blaming bad stories and results on Covid?
It was really a rhetorical question. At this point we know what causes the bad effects. It's just a wonder that the powers that be, watch these things and say. Yea, seems good enough to me! Let's put it out there! It's just a strange situation. They're willing to spend 250mil plus on a film, but then are ok with sending out clearly unfinished/rushed effects.
Translation: He’s blaming bad movies and results on Covid
 

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