Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[drizgirl]

I’ve been asking everyone here who says Disney’s recent movies aren’t good to explain why, and most responses have little to do with the films themselves.

Seriously? You need someone to define what a good movie is? If it was that easy, they'd all be hits. You'll know it when you see it.

 

[erasure fan1]

I’ve been asking everyone here who says Disney’s recent movies aren’t good to explain why, and most responses have little to do with the films themselves.

Yea, I disagree with this as well. Take Antman 3, and how they took what made the antman films so fun away. It lost the scale of what makes antman, antman. Hey he's giant? Or is he because he's already small? plus Modok was laughable. It was supposed to introduce Kang as the new villain of the entire MCU but did nothing to assert why we should care.

The eternals was too long with little reason to care about the characters. It felt out of place in the greater mcu. And it had just too many characters to introduce in one film when they had not been mentioned or talked about up to that point.

A lot of reasons for the movies not performing have been given, that have nothing to do with your assertion that anti-diversity is the issue. Lots of us have given many reasons why the films have had problems. You just need to be tracing back what people are saying. If you changed the "most responses" to some, maybe.

 

[LittleBuford]

Seriously? You need someone to define what a good movie is? If it was that easy, they'd all be hits. You'll know it when you see it.

Someone who claims Disney’s latest movies are bad should be able to explain what makes them so. Of course, that becomes essentially impossible when you have no firsthand knowledge of the material.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

this is a lie. I’ve pointed out both the inherent problem in using TV stars as a substitute for movie stars, as well as the poor, shoddy VFX. That is a problem over and over for the Marvel films.

I’ve given reasons many times also, the biggest being the multiverse is confusing and the movies don’t feel connected. It’s a question that’s been answered many times by many people.

 

[Tha Realest]

I’ve given reasons many times also, the biggest being the multiverse is confusing and the movies don’t feel connected. It’s a question that’s been answered many times by many people.

Exactly. It’s really disingenuous to suggest no one has offered specific examples of how any why these movies are failing. They can disagree with those reasons, and they have, but to say “no one offers any reasons behind their arguments” ignores the extensive back and forth that happens in these forums each day.

 

[Tha Realest]

Someone who claims Disney’s latest movies are bad should be able to explain what makes them so. Of course, that becomes essentially impossible when you have no firsthand knowledge of the material.

They have, over and over again.

 

[LittleBuford]

They have, over and over again.

Some have, many haven’t. Our most vocal and voluble critics have, by their own admission, not seen any of the films they’re incessantly finding fault with.

 

[TalkingHead]

I’ve been asking everyone here who says Disney’s recent movies aren’t good to explain why, and most responses have little to do with the films themselves.

Shall we pool our money and send you a copy of Robert McKee’s Story? That would be a good place to start.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Where did I ever mention Covid?

…”some delays” for special effects

Constantly looking for TWDC excuses are never that clever…
And they still don’t care about you no matter what you say.

Keep swinging, slugger

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Some have, many haven’t. Our most vocal and voluble critics have, by their own admission, not seen any of the films they’re incessantly finding fault with.

Bad stories and unmemorable characters

Nothing to stick to the ribs

It’s been said probably 1,000 times…and way more than that by people not named “me”

 

[_caleb]

this is a lie. I’ve pointed out both the inherent problem in using TV stars as a substitute for movie stars, as well as the poor, shoddy VFX. That is a problem over and over for the Marvel films.

A lie? I deliberately used the word “most” and I wasn’t talking about you.

@EPCOT-O.G., why categorize my post as a lie?

 

[_caleb]

Exactly. It’s really disingenuous to suggest no one has offered specific examples of how any why these movies are failing. They can disagree with those reasons, and they have, but to say “no one offers any reasons behind their arguments” ignores the extensive back and forth that happens in these forums each day.

I did not say “no one.” It’s disingenuous to suggest that all (or even most) posters here have offered specific examples of why these movies are doing poorly at the box office.

I’ve been active in this (and other threads), and I’ve appreciated the dialog. But on the balance, many “critiques” do not seem to be offered in good faith.

 

[TalkingHead]

Wish came in third this weekend behind a 2hr40m R-rated historical period piece. Happy holidays or happy trails, Burbank?

‘Songbirds & Snakes’ Reigns Supreme Over Thanksgiving Stretch With $42M 5-day; ‘Napoleon’ Steps On Disney’s ‘Wish’ With $32M+ — Box Office

Box Office: 'Wish' Eyes $40M-$45M 5-day, 'Napoleon' $28M-$32M Over Thanksgiving

deadline.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A lie? I deliberately used the word “most” and I wasn’t talking about you.

You’re tossing red herring questions onto the dock…

Because if someone bites…the response will be “that’s YOUR opinion”

Yeah…and the dismal box office performance and/or pathetic stream views…couple with subscriber losses…makes that OPINION more true than any blind Disney defense or transfer to the “industry as a a whole”

There is a consensus in life…and all the money people don’t have a problem pointing that out.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Wish came in third this weekend behind a 2hr40m R-rated historical period piece. Happy holidays or happy trails, Burbank?

‘Songbirds & Snakes’ Reigns Supreme Over Thanksgiving Stretch With $42M 5-day; ‘Napoleon’ Steps On Disney’s ‘Wish’ With $32M+ — Box Office

Box Office: 'Wish' Eyes $40M-$45M 5-day, 'Napoleon' $28M-$32M Over Thanksgiving

deadline.com

Ho…li….

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Uh oh…the “box office is down cause “stuff” excuse Is off the table too

Don’t try it (bet it will still happen though)

What’s up now?

“Disney makes so much money paying itself for streaming and charging more money 6 year from now”?

…just bring it

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Uh oh…the “box office is down cause “stuff” excuse Is off the table too

Don’t try it (bet it will still happen though)

What’s up now?

“Disney makes so much money paying itself for streaming and charging more money 6 year from now”?

…just bring it

To play devils advocate I expected about a 40%-50% decline from the previous movie due to the challenges the MCU is facing in theaters, that would have placed The Marvels at about $500-$600 million vs Capt Marvel though, I don’t think anyone thought it would struggle this badly.

There’s no sugar coating this one, it’s a rejection of the brand. There must be full on panic in Burbank right now.

 

[Chi84]

To play devils advocate I expected about a 40%-50% decline from the previous movie due to the challenges the MCU is facing in theaters, that would have placed The Marvels at about $500-$600 million vs Capt Marvel though, I don’t think anyone thought it would struggle this badly.

There’s no sugar coating this one, it’s a rejection of the brand. There must be full on panic in Burbank right now.

I don’t think there’s rejection of a brand. Disney’s audience is primarily families with small kids - it’s just easier and cheaper to wait for Disney+.

Also, Disney’s recent offerings seem bland and uninspired, which isn’t going to get people excited about seeing them.

I wish Disney would just make movies that tell good stories and not care about who they offend.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Wish came in third this weekend behind a 2hr40m R-rated historical period piece. Happy holidays or happy trails, Burbank?

There must be full on panic in Burbank right now.

Does Iger bail sooner than later and find another Chapek to take the blame?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

If we include Indy 5 and Haunted Mansion, that's 4 box office bombs in a row for Disney, unless Wish pulls an Elemental like turn around over the next few months.