Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[celluloid]

YES without a doubt it's more popular then the 70s and 80s like you know the population has grown by like 30% since 1980 right? Star Wars has become a cultural institution. Heck there are more fans of just the Clone Wars TV series of the the OT at this point.

Tell me you were not born yet or just a tot in those decades without telling me.

Five simultanious spin offs does not equate to popularity.

going from 1983-1999 without a movie and an entire trilogy coming out after only having representation in ancillary toons, books, theme park attraction representation.

It was more popular, Disney did not own it so it was not exploited.

It was so popular that Disney put it in two theme park rides, one created for it and cloned it multiple times before they even owned the property. They did that to Indy as well. And Indy is not more popular than ever. They are fine trying though.

When it comes ot the present. Oversaturation is not popularity. Particularly when it is not returning its investment any longer.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

We are actually. There's been more mcu content in phase 4 than the entire infinity saga combined. And by a lot. It's one of the reasons the mcu has been struggling in my opinion.

I agree, it's been a trans media franchise for sure. Video games, comics... yes, they all kept it going. The thrawn trilogy really brought it back to the forefront. But the movies are the catalyst for all that extra content. The EU was huge, but it was an extremely mixed bag. There's some good, but also a lot of bad. None of the secondary content however, ever had the fever of the films. Nothing I've ever seen has rivaled the release of Ep1 and Ep7 from a pop-culture standpoint. The extended media was really what you followed until you got the next movie. That's why the films are so important in my opinion. They're the engine that makes the multi-commercial juggernaut turn.

right... and we are in Phase 5 marvel now.....

Also Phase 3 had the same amount if not more then Phase 4.

I see what you are saying with the movies however TV has long replaced that. As I said in the other comment there are more people who have been introduced to through The Clone Wars then have through the OT. Like it's not even even close. GL knew what he was doing when he made it. And to a very large part of the fanbase Star Wars is the Clone Wars they like it because of the whole space miltary thing. This and the PT divided the fan base and that's fine. SW has grown so much and means different things to different people.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Tell me you were not born yet or just a tot in those decades without telling me.

sorry I was there even have some of my original action figures and have fond memories of Pepridge Farm Star Wars cookies.

I was in High school when the Special editions came out in Theaters.

It was more popular, Disney did not own it so it was not exploited.

again the population of the US has increased by over 30% by then. Even if the % fandom stated the same it would STILL be more popular. But we know an entire new generation has grown up with it now, a generation that is larger then the previous.

Why do you think The PT wins in favorite SW trilogy now and not the OT?

going from 1983-1999 without a movie and an entire trilogy coming out after only having representation in ancillary toons, books, theme park attraction representation.

huh..

It was so popular that Disney put it in two theme park rides, one created for it and cloned it multiple times before they even owned the property. They did that to Indy as well. And Indy is not more popular than ever

is anyone claiming Indy is more popular now? and when you say ride do you mean the one made in 1995?

 

[celluloid]

I was in High school when the Special editions came out in Theaters.

1997 in HS . Then no, you were not there in the 70s and 80s theatrcal releases the way you disputed when I said you were not born yet or a tot.

 

[erasure fan1]

Also Phase 3 had the same amount if not more then Phase 4.

You might want to check that math. Phase 4 is bigger than all 3 phases combined.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

1997 in HS . Then no, you were not there in the 70s and 80s theatrcal releases the way you disputed when I said you were not born yet or a tot.

yeah... i was saw ROTJ in theaters. I was part of the target audeince.

However I don't see how that invalidates anythign I said unless you are just trying to dismiss the facts here.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

You might want to check that math. Phase 4 is bigger than all 3 phases combined.

you are right if you include the shows. I did forget those

However that doesn't change anythign as we are in Phase 5 now which is where we are seeing the decline in Marvel enthusiasm.

 

[celluloid]

yeah... i was saw ROTJ in theaters. I was part of the target audeince.

However I don't see how that invalidates anythign I said unless you are just trying to dismiss the facts here.

If you were in HS in 1997, you were not part of the target audience age for the original Return of the Jedi release which was in 1983. A third installment to a movie that came out in 77. How old were you in 1983 when you saw it in theaters?

It invalidates what you said because it seems like you lie. Particularly those who were there and are aware of the phenom it was.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

If you were in HS in 1997, you were not part of the target audience age for the original Return of the Jedi release which was in 1983. A third installment to a movie that came out in 77. How old were you in 1983 when you saw it in theaters?

It invalidates what you said because it seems like you lie.

you don't think young kids were the target audience for STAR WARS or ROTJ? The movie that replaced Wookies with Ewoks so they could sell MORE TOYS TO KIDS?

I'm sorry are you trolling? George Lucas even said it is aimed at kids. Do you think Star Wars is for grown ups?

 

[celluloid]

you don't think young kids were the target audience for STAR WARS or ROTJ? The movie that replaced Wookies with Ewoks so they could sell MORE TOYS TO KIDS?

I'm sorry are you trolling? George Lucas even said it is aimed at kids. Do you think Star Wars is for grown ups?

Kids are one thing. I said you were a tot. Answer the question, how old when you saw Reteurn of the Jedi in theaters, you said you did, and were in the target audience. And said you were in HS in 1997.

 

[erasure fan1]

However that doesn't change anythign as we are in Phase 5 now which is where we are seeing the decline in Marvel enthusiasm.

I'm pretty sure, I'd have to go back and check, that all of the sequels in phase 4, except doctor strange, declined. I'll give a pass to shang chi and widow because they were just past covid. But I'd say the decline in enthusiasm started with eternals.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Kids are one thing. I said you were a tot. Answer the question, how old when you saw Reteurn of the Jedi in theaters, you said you did, and were in the target audience. And said you were in HS in 1997.

this isn't the win you think it is. especially since I wasn't a tot. I was a kid i was 4 years old when I saw it in theaters.

Listen i get it you need a win badly. But this is not the way to go about it. We were talking about popularity of the franchise but you have been unable to dispute anything I have said and are trying to latch on that I was a kid when it came out as if that some how invalidates anything I have said since you can use evidence or facts.

Well i'm off for the night. Have a great night.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

I'm pretty sure, I'd have to go back and check, that all of the sequels in phase 4, except doctor strange, declined. I'll give a pass to shang chi and widow because they were just past covid. But I'd say the decline in enthusiasm started with eternals.

are the declines because of enthusiasm or because they came out in a post covid world.

 

[celluloid]

this isn't the win you think it is. especially since I wasn't a tot. I was a kid i was 4 years old when I saw it in theaters.

Listen i get it you need a win badly. But this is not the way to go about it. We were talking about popularity of the franchise but you have been unable to dispute anything I have said and are trying to latch on that I was a kid when it came out as if that some how invalidates anything I have said since you can use evidence or facts.

Well i'm off for the night. Have a great night.

Sure, and outside of some special program, you were not likely to remember those cookies in 1983 if you were in HS in 1997 and you were not in the target audience to remember seeing that movie in theaters in 1983 and missed our on the phenom of the first two entirely. You were speaking of it like you were among the late 70s early 80s crazy others first mentioned. If you were 4 years old in 1983 then you can't really say you remember how popular it was in the 70s and early 80s before ROTJ came out.
Hey, keep living vicariously and have a good night. Best to lie down instead of just lie.

Someone is a toddler is subjective and can be up to 5 btw. Either way, at 4 you were not present minded for the phenom the late 70s to early 80s were. You came in at the end. So no, not more popular than ever, because there were years where it was more popular than it is now.

 

[erasure fan1]

are the declines because of enthusiasm or because they came out in a post covid world.

No, it was a decline in enthusiasm because of a bunch of reasons. Covid did change some viewing habits, more so because streaming. But people still showed up for what they thought was must see entertainment. Maverick, spiderman, Mario, guardians, barbie... All got people out. There were two big reasons in my opinion the enthusiasm started to lessen. Too much content in a short time that had way too much mediocre to poor. And within all that content, there was no real throughput, causing a loss of that must see mentality that the infinity saga had.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Sure, and outside of some special program, you were not likely to remember those cookies in 1983 if you were in HS in 1997 and you were not in the target audience to remember seeing that movie in theaters in 1983 and missed our on the phenom of the first two entirely. You were speaking of it like you were among the late 70s early 80s crazy others first mentioned. If you were 4 years old in 1983 then you can't really say you remember how popular it was in the 70s and early 80s before ROTJ came out.
Hey, keep living vicariously and have a good night. Best to lie down instead of just lie.

Someone is a toddler is subjective and can be up to 5 btw. Either way, at 4 you were not present minded for the phenom the late 70s to early 80s were. You came in at the end. So no, not more popular than ever, because there were years where it was more popular than it is now.

My friend you have lost the plot. You were supposed to be proving that Star Wars was populatiry was larger in the 1980s... when the population was 30% smaller and it wasn't as big culuturally then it is now. All you have been able to prove is that I was a kid back in the 80s which doesn't disprove anythign i have said.

Let's say that I wasn't "present minded" back in 1983. What's your point. How does this prove Star Wars was larger? What evidence do you have? Like you know that The PT and the ST both have sold way more tickets then the OT right?

No, it was a decline in enthusiasm because of a bunch of reasons. Covid did change some viewing habits, more so because streaming. But people still showed up for what they thought was must see entertainment. Maverick, spiderman, Mario, guardians, barbie... All got people out.

You do know the overall box office is down by 3 to 4 billion the past few years right? Even the big movies have made less then they would have pre covid. Barbie and Mario should have made MUCH more then they did. It's not just MCU movies everything is less profitable then it would have been pre covid. Also you know Spiderman and Guardians are part of the MCU right?

When you look at each year you just see a huge deciline in the box office of every movie.

 

[celluloid]

My friend you have lost the plot. You were supposed to be proving that Star Wars was populatiry was larger in the 1980s... when the population was 30% smaller and it wasn't as big culuturally then it is now. All you have been able to prove is that I was a kid back in the 80s which doesn't disprove anythign i have said.





You do know the overall box office is down by 3 to 4 billion the past few years right? Even the big movies have made less then they would have pre covid. Barbie and Mario should have made MUCH more then they did. It's not just MCU movies everything is less profitable then it would have been pre covid. Also you know Spiderman and Guardians are part of the MCU right?

When you look at each year you just see a huge deciline in the box office of every movie.

To your first point. You have yet to define what popular is. You have this nebulas concept that because more people exist on this planet, something still popular must be more popular. Not really. If you just mean more people are aware of it than ever, then yeah, you could make that vague point. More people are aware of space travel and cowboys, They are certainly still popular, but westerns and space race themes are not as popular as it was in the 50s and 60s. That is the disconnect. You would also then be of the opinion that Avatar is a more popular franchise than Star Wars, because more people yet are aware of it. No plot lost. Its actual popularity that the coat tails have been riding on in an ebb and flow since was larger in 70s and 80s. If you want to say saturated now. That makes more sense. Culturally bigger now? You need to provide something measurable that shows that.

To your comment at the other poster That is a claim you have no support to make. We don't know if Mario and Barbie, or Oppenheimer should have made more. What we know is, they got people to the theaters more than most other films did. You otherwise play a game of "dang more people should have went to see those movies." and the external factors faced were by all. The onus is on the business, not the people. Guess what? If more people should have seen the top movies then they would still be the top. This box office is the highest since pre covid btw. So it went up, and one company suffered the most with their RO loss. Guess which one? ding ding ding.

 

[Jedijax719]

Oof 78% drop for The Marvels.

It's total domestic may not even be Solo's opening weekend!!!

 

[celluloid]

Oof 78% drop for The Marvels.

It's total domestic may not even be Solo's opening weekend!!!

Out for an entire weekend to weekend and it has still not matched Five Night's at Freddy's opening. Some heavier weekdays come Thanksgiving break Tues-weekend this week, but not enough holiday play in the world.

 

[Ghost93]

At this point, I'm just going to expect any Disney/Marvel/Star Mars movie — with the exception of Avatar — to underperform or flop from here on out, and I'll just be pleasantly surprised if a movie becomes an unexpected hit. The Marvel and Star Wars brands are severely damaged.

On one hand, I'm disappointed in the Marvels flopping because I like the movie's cast and want Marvel to continue to prominently feature women and underrepresented groups in their movies. On the other hand, I don't want bad movies — like the Marvels — to be rewarded and the film's failure might be the much-needed wake-up call for Marvel Studios to drastically reevaluate how they are making their movies.