Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[erasure fan1]

I don’t understand your response. My post was saying the very opposite of “it’s settled”; I was actually pointing to how subjective the whole thing is.

And I think that was the point. I liked force awakens, was extremely disappointed in last jedi, liked the trailer for rise of Skywalker more than the movie. Others loved last jedi more than force awakens. Heck I know people who thought rise of Skywalker was better than last jedi and force awakens.

This subjectiveness is why star wars came to a crashing stop. They have now cancelled more movies than they've made. Rian has said in interviews he likes it when half the audience hates what he did and the other half loves it. It's more interesting that way he said. Well that's exactly what happened. I'm not wrong for not liking it, you wouldn't be wrong for loving it. Unfortunately that puts a real damper on what direction you go next, because most likely you've alienated half of your audience. So the question is then, will the people who liked what you did, show up in full force the next time? I'm guessing they are questioning that and that's why we can't get a definitive roadmap forward for star wars.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Rian has said in interviews he likes it when half the audience hates what he did and the other half loves it. It's more interesting that way he said.

With a movie franchise spanning almost 50 years and $100,000,000,000 in licensed product sales…that is beyond a fireable offense

And whoever hired him.

No BS

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s the marvels the biggest bomb in Disney history?

We might be in the John Carter zone

 

[Ghost93]

It’s the marvels the biggest bomb in Disney history?

We might be in the John Carter zone

I think Strange World is the biggest bomb.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think Strange World is the biggest bomb.

Lower budget

 

[Vicarious Fan]

I’ll lay it out for you

Last Johnson
Flop (solo)
A train wreck (whatever they did with the last one)
6 years of not a frame of film being shot.

Easy flow

Solo did poorly because it was a Han Solo movie with out Harrison Ford.

The train wreck that made over a billion?

6 years of no film being shot? My brother you do know there has been more Star Wars content in the past 4 years then ever in the history of teh Franchise. SW is more popular now then ever before.

TROS was Dec 2019 months before covid. Like what are you talking about? Are you blaming TLJ for Covid or something?

sorry this is a super weird take you have.

 

[Tha Realest]

SW is more popular now then ever before.

I’m going to be charitable and presume you’ve misspoke or this is a typo. This is a ridiculous assertion.

TROS was Dec 2019 months before covid. Like what are you talking about? Are you blaming TLJ for Covid or something?

I presume he’s talking about the failure to release a film in one of the most financially successful film franchises of all time.

 

[erasure fan1]

My brother you do know there has been more Star Wars content in the past 4 years then ever in the history of teh Franchise.

I don't think more content really translates into more popular than ever. We're seeing that with the mcu right now. In my opinion star wars is a theater franchise. It works best when it's on the big screen. It basically started the summer tent pole blockbuster. I might be wrong, but Disney didn't purchase star wars for it to be relegated to D+. Hence the reason Iger fast tracked the sequels. To get them in the theaters as fast as possible.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Solo did poorly because it was a Han Solo movie with out Harrison Ford.

The train wreck that made over a billion?

6 years of no film being shot? My brother you do know there has been more Star Wars content in the past 4 years then ever in the history of teh Franchise. SW is more popular now then ever before.

TROS was Dec 2019 months before covid. Like what are you talking about? Are you blaming TLJ for Covid or something?

sorry this is a super weird take you have.

Solo would have fared BETTER…maybe not great…but better…if a large chunk of the fanbase wasn’t trying to process blue milk.

Not a real controversial take

My man…not a single frame of FEATURE film has been shot. Star Wars invented the modern Hollywood blockbuster in many ways…Who’s the boss? reruns belong on the tube

Star Wars is more popular now than ever before? Are you like 21? Cause the height of interest was 78-84 and 97-99…for you kids at home.

Covid had NOTHING to do with whatever the third one was dropping…it was released in December and the world shut down over the weekend of March 15, 2020…it had long before flatlined


All that you said was cute though…even if not plausible at all

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't think more content really translates into more popular than ever. We're seeing that with the mcu right now. In my opinion star wars is a theater franchise. It works best when it's on the big screen. It basically started the summer tent pole blockbuster. I might be wrong, but Disney didn't purchase star wars for it to be relegated to D+. Hence the reason Iger fast tracked the sequels. To get them in the theaters as fast as possible.

The stream ratings are also really bad - for what they’re worth - for the last couple of Star Wars shows

Mandolorian surely gave it a good bump - cause it was a direct apology to alienated fans - but it’s worn off a lot now.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

I’m going to be charitable and presume you’ve misspoke or this is a typo. This is a ridiculous assertion.

I presume he’s talking about the failure to release a film in one of the most financially successful film franchises of all time.

got anything to prove its not? Because yes SW is at it's peak now

 

[Vicarious Fan]

The stream ratings are also really bad - for what they’re worth - for the last couple of Star Wars shows

Mandolorian surely gave it a good bump - cause it was a direct apology to alienated fans - but it’s worn off a lot now.

stream ratings... you know that Disney like every streaming service has never released ANY info on their views right?

Like the whole writing and actors strike this was a major part of it that they wouldn't release any numbers

 

[celluloid]

got anything to prove its not? Because yes SW is at it's peak now

A hotel and a few movie meh's make a pretty good case.

Quantity is not a sign of popularity; it is a sign of the company that bought it wanted to make as much back on it as possible without diversifying besides the other few things they were milking.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

I don't think more content really translates into more popular than ever. We're seeing that with the mcu right now

no we aren't. The last few years have been a low point for new MCU content. This year we got what 2 movies and 2 shows? compared to previous years it's pretty low.

Next year looks even worse.

It basically started the summer tent pole blockbuster.

Jaws was that first but yeah it was... but i'd argue it's been a Trans media franchise. Comics, books, games are the heart of Star Wars and what kept it going in the decades between trilogies.

Solo would have fared BETTER…maybe not great…but better…if a large chunk of the fanbase wasn’t trying to process blue milk.

why? What makes you think it should have done better? No one cares about Solo's backstory. It's the equivlent of a Dr Strange or Ant Man movie. Maybe it could have made 100 mill more or so but nothing huge and that has more to do with releasing it between Infinity war and Black Panther.

Star Wars is more popular now than ever before? Are you like 21? Cause the height of interest was 78-84 and 97-99…for you kids at home.

You know the fanbase is larger right? Wait 97 -99 you think it was bigger BEFORE the prequels came out? Oh man I have news for you friend.

Covid had NOTHING to do with whatever the third one was dropping…it was released in December and the world shut down over the weekend of March 15, 2020…it had long before flatlined

yeah... i said that it came out in 2019. Are you not even reading what I said. I'm saying AFTER it came out coivd happend which kind of shut down ALL movie production for a while.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

A hotel and a few movie meh's make a pretty good case.

Quantity is not a sign of popularity; it is a sign of the company that bought it wanted to make as much back on it as possible without diversifying besides the other few things they were milking.

you mean the budget quality hotel that costs $6000 per stay? You think it failed because SW wasn't popular and not because they charged $6k to stay in the SW equivalent of the Art of Animation.

Yeah quanity is a big sign especially when it costs so much to make. If something isn't popular you don't make more of it.

They already made their money back by the time TLJ left theaters.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

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why? What makes you think it should have done better? No one cares about Solo's backstory. It's the equivlent of a Dr Strange or Ant Man movie. Maybe it could have made 100 mill more or so but nothing huge and that has more to do with releasing it between Infinity war and Black Panther.


You know the fanbase is larger right? Wait 97 -99 you think it was bigger BEFORE the prequels came out? Oh man I have news for you friend.


yeah... i said that it came out in 2019. Are you not even reading what I said. I'm saying AFTER it came out coivd happend which kind of shut down ALL movie production for a while.

No one cares about the backstory…but it still would have gotten a lot more traction. But it’s opinion…so we’ll never know.

The interest was huge before the prequels…I didn’t say the fanbase because obviously more kids became a captive audience. That’s not the same thing…you want me to post the news clips of people buying the tickets to watch the TRAILER and then leaving the movie? It’s classics Pre-digital/early internet nostalgia

So the movie studio was shut down for 6 months…so that forced Disney to fight with/fire all their directors and end up with nothing twirling in script hell?

…well that explains it then

But hey - you can have the last word…even I tire of litigating Star Wars

 

[celluloid]

Yeah quanity is a big sign especially when it costs so much to make. If something isn't popular you don't make more of it.

Your argument is shifting. You said it was more popular than ever.

No one said it is not popular, vague and subjective term, but no, it is past its peak. It will be plenty of popular for decades.

Disney has Disney Plus and needed weight for it to try and become a success that people would want to subscribe to. That is why you have so much star wars content. It's money made that Disney never got prior so of course they want to invest in. We have more at home content than ever and movies that were produced to oversaturate a market since 2015. More content is not the same as more popular. Disney just wants to make more money for their purchase as quick as possible because it and for awhile Marvel was its ace in the hole.

But more popular than in the late 70s-80s? No.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think Strange World is the biggest bomb.

Below is the adjusted gross estimation of biggest flops:

 

[erasure fan1]

no we aren't. The last few years have been a low point for new MCU content. This year we got what 2 movies and 2 shows? compared to previous years it's pretty low.

Next year looks even worse.

We are actually. There's been more mcu content in phase 4 than the entire infinity saga combined. And by a lot. It's one of the reasons the mcu has been struggling in my opinion.

but i'd argue it's been a Trans media franchise. Comics, books, games are the heart of Star Wars and what kept it going in the decades between trilogies.

I agree, it's been a trans media franchise for sure. Video games, comics... yes, they all kept it going. The thrawn trilogy really brought it back to the forefront. But the movies are the catalyst for all that extra content. The EU was huge, but it was an extremely mixed bag. There's some good, but also a lot of bad. None of the secondary content however, ever had the fever of the films. Nothing I've ever seen has rivaled the release of Ep1 and Ep7 from a pop-culture standpoint. The extended media was really what you followed until you got the next movie. That's why the films are so important in my opinion. They're the engine that makes the multi-commercial juggernaut turn.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Your argument is shifting. You said it was more popular than ever.

No one said it is not popular, vague and subjective term, but no, it is past its peak. It will be plenty of popular for decades.

Disney has Disney Plus and needed weight for it to try and become a success that people would want to subscribe to. That is why you have so much star wars content. It's money made that Disney never got prior so of course they want to invest in. We have more at home content than ever and movies that were produced to oversaturate a market since 2015. More content is not the same as more popular. Disney just wants to make more money for their purchase as quick as possible because it and for awhile Marvel was its ace in the hole.

But more popular than in the late 70s-80s? No.

YES without a doubt it's more popular then the 70s and 80s like you know the population has grown by like 30% since 1980 right? Star Wars has become a cultural institution. Heck there are more fans of just the Clone Wars TV series of the the OT at this point.

The audience has grown over the decades and it's even larger now.

My arguement has not shifted I still maintain that SW now is more popular now then ever before.

Oh there is absoutely disagreement on what movies or shows people like but it's because there is so much varity that it's so popular. I know people who love Andor but hate Mando and people who Love TCW but hate the OT. All fans all love Star Wars.

But hey - you can have the last word…even I tire of litigating Star Wars

listen i get it you want to live in a bubble and ignore reality that's cool. Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder and you want your anger to be justified.

Well I hope you have a great day and thanks for letting me take this time to educate you.