Phroobar
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I'd rather have great stories and character arcs and I don't care if it casted by Martians.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Ghost93
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It shouldn't be an either/or. It is completely possible to tell great stories featuring a diverse group of people or underrepresented groups. The problem is Disney/Marvel often fail to come up with great stories in the first place.
Phroobar
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TP2000
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Here's the first run box office estimates for this weekend. It's dreadful for both of Disney's movies in theaters now.
As noted by @Epcot81Fan The Marvels suffered a historically bad 78% drop its second weekend. It was forecast for a $16 Million second weekend, which would have been abysmal, but it didn't even get that. $10.6 Million for its second weekend. And with this trajectory it begs the question, will The Marvels break $100 Million at the domestic box office?
The second Disney movie is Next Goal Wins from Searchlight. It debuted in 7th place and only made $2.5 Million. Rough.
And now... onward to Wish next week with a production budget of $200 Million!
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www.the-numbers.com
As noted by @Epcot81Fan The Marvels suffered a historically bad 78% drop its second weekend. It was forecast for a $16 Million second weekend, which would have been abysmal, but it didn't even get that. $10.6 Million for its second weekend. And with this trajectory it begs the question, will The Marvels break $100 Million at the domestic box office?
The second Disney movie is Next Goal Wins from Searchlight. It debuted in 7th place and only made $2.5 Million. Rough.
And now... onward to Wish next week with a production budget of $200 Million!
The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for August 2, 2024
Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of August 2, 2024
www.the-numbers.com
TP2000
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Here's how The Marvels is trending at the domestic box office, based on its very weak $46 Million opening weekend. It is notably underperforming, even based on its weak opening.
There are no legs for The Marvels, the movie is handicapped, and the park's Main Entrance is sold out of ECV's.
There are no legs for The Marvels, the movie is handicapped, and the park's Main Entrance is sold out of ECV's.
erasure fan1
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Here's a great video on why the mcu has struggled and how they can get back on track. I think he's been lurking around here. Lol
TP2000
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Revised and final box office is now out for this past weekend. The Marvels dropped down to 4th place in its second weekend, behind low-budget slasher film Thanksgiving. Worse, The Marvels suffered a historically bad 78% drop its second weekend.
The indie film Next Goal Wins from Disney's Searchlight debuted down in 8th place. Oof.
Next up in two days, Disney's Wish with a production budget of $200 Million to celebrate Disney's 100th Anniversary!
www.the-numbers.com
The indie film Next Goal Wins from Disney's Searchlight debuted down in 8th place. Oof.
Next up in two days, Disney's Wish with a production budget of $200 Million to celebrate Disney's 100th Anniversary!
The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for August 2, 2024
Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of August 2, 2024
www.the-numbers.com
Phroobar
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So Wish should easily open at #3. It would be fairly embarrassing for Trolls to out perform Wish but it looks like a possibility.Revised and final box office is now out for this past weekend. The Marvels dropped down to 4th place in its second weekend, behind low-budget slasher film Thanksgiving. Worse, The Marvels suffered a historically bad 78% drop its second weekend.
The indie film Next Goal Wins from Disney's Searchlight debuted down in 8th place. Oof.
Next up in two days, Disney's Wish with a production budget of $200 Million to celebrate Disney's 100th Anniversary!
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The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for August 2, 2024
Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of August 2, 2024
Disney Irish
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Or who don't understand that that was already going to happen at the end of Phase 6 anyways.
TalkingHead
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What’s your solution? If they don’t create a new on-ramp for general audiences to join —and brand it as a new start — box office receipts are going to continue to dwindle.
TP2000
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I know little about Marvel aside from this movie forum, and seeing the occasional kid from Fullerton Junior College (Go Hornets!) dressed up in a cape for 20 bucks an hour in DCA. But there's six phases to this movie/media thing? Why?
If you've got a half dozen "phases" for your popcorn entertainment, you might be overthinking things a bit. No wonder the audiences around the world have ignored The Marvels, who could keep up with that?
Disney Irish
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Each "Phase" is a chapter in a larger story made up of ~4-6 movies that make up a Saga.
Phases 1 - 3 were the Infinity Saga where Thanos was trying to get rid of half of the universe with the Infinity Stones.
Phase 4 - 6 is the Multiverse Saga, which is leading to a Multiversal war in Secret Wars at the end of Phase 6, we're in the middle of Phase 5 right now.
Basically its a continually ever evolving connected franchise. The whole reason why it became popular in the first place was its interconnected nature. Some feel they have lost that interconnected feeling with recent movies, ie its been scattered. But hopefully with Deadpool 3 next summer it'll get back on track.
Disney Irish
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Yes that is the rumor, I suspect they'll say that Doom was pulling the strings from behind the scenes the whole time.
_caleb
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Disney's already implementing it. They're launching a new "Marvel Spotlight" banner for standalone films/series that may be set in the same universe, but don't tie into the broader MCU continuity. The first series to use this will be Echo, but it could have been used for things like Werewolf by Night on D+. These require NO previous history ("homework") to understand, but may have little easter eggs that superfans might enjoy.
Marvel Creates ‘Spotlight’ Banner for Titles Without ‘Larger MCU Continuity’; ‘The Marvels’ Director Calls It ‘Trial and Error’ Figuring Out What Prior Info Viewers Needed
"The Marvels" director says it was "trial and error" figuring out how much to connect the film to past MCU titles like "WandaVision" and "Ms. Marvel."
variety.com
_caleb
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Marvel comics has traditionally always had multiple storylines being published for each superhero/team simultaneously!
The Amazing Spider-Man comic book was so popular (it was published monthly starting in 1967), that Marvel started publishing another comic series called "Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man." It was done by a different writer/artist team, told different stories, and had a different look/feel, but was still Spider-Man. They went on to add other books (Web of Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man, Marvel Team-Up w/Spider-Man, one just called Spider-Man, etc.). And don't even get me started on crossover events...
They did this for most of their biggest characters/teams: Avengers, X-Men, etc. (DC comics does, this, too.)
This, as you might imagine, was extremely confusing to casual readers. But for fans, it was like watching multiple seasons of your favorite television series at the same time. And because they were different, fans identified with different versions of the characters and preferred the art/writing styles of different series.
I know you don't care about any of this, but this is a big part of the comic book universe. I would expect the same for Disney's Marvel universe in some form or fashion.
Casper Gutman
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We were always headed to Battleworld, that's not a change. Swapping in Mads Mikkelsen as Doom (the rumor) would certainly work, but there isn't really an elegant way to do it until... the post-credits in Fantastic Four in 2025?
Disgruntled Walt
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Wasn't Mads Mikkelsen already the bad guy in Dr. Strange?
TP2000
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Actually, that was quite interesting. I had no idea really. I appreciate the background info from you and @Disney Irish both.
Off the top of my head, that phase strategy and the inane details that only superfans can obsess over (I have been posting inane things here about Disneyland for 20 years, so I do have some experience) would seem to work for comic books that sell for a dime or 15 cents. Or whatever comic books go for nowadays.
But for mega-budget tentpole movies that need to pull in the largest audience possible to break even? That seems risky to get into phases and sagas and required homework and such. The box office for The Marvels is only the latest warning sign on that, in addition to miserable Nielsen ratings on Disney+ for Ms. Marvel, Loki, etc.