DHS to Get the DCA Treatment?

[spacemt354]

It's more about thematic appropriateness. Epcot is supposed to be a serious park showcasing the world and how we are one world and that together we can create a better future for mankind. The Seas with Nemo & Friends does not fit that message. As for Disneyland , the big criticism of the Subs there is that it feels like simply watching a DVD underwater rather than immersing you in another world..

Meh. The ride itself and Turtle Talk do not symbolize the original Epcot thematic elements. But you are neglecting the other half of the pavillion, which includes dolphin shows during the day, displaying how they are trained. Divequest, where you can scubadive. And a bunch of marine animal exhibits that fit the mold of Epcot's educational and thematic standpoint. So the argument does come down to Nemo. If The Living Seas was kept the way it was with the old "it rained..and it rained..and it rained" video, you probably wouldn't be complaining. Yet again, the change was made to Nemo to bring some life to the pavillion itself, while still keeping the thematics of TLS, and Epcot as a whole. That is why the pavillion is called the Seas with Nemo and Friends. Not Nemo and Friends with the Seas.

 

[misterID]

I am an EPCOT traditionalist. I believe it was better back in the 80s and 90s. But even I admit the Living Seas was completely boring back then. Holy cow. There might have even been a tantrum thrown at one time from a littleID, because I didn't want to go in there.

As for the OT - There wouldn't be a lot needed to refurb DHS. Make a real Lucas Land, with an updated Indy show, an Indy ride and a SW themed restaurant with show elements. Put in the Monster's INC family coaster, The planned Muppets ride, an updated GMR and there you go. No expensive thrill rides needed, or a RSR clone.

 

[HMF]

Meh. The ride itself and Turtle Talk do not symbolize the original Epcot thematic elements. But you are neglecting the other half of the pavillion, which includes dolphin shows during the day, displaying how they are trained. Divequest, where you can scubadive. And a bunch of marine animal exhibits that fit the mold of Epcot's educational and thematic standpoint. So the argument does come down to Nemo. If The Living Seas was kept the way it was with the old "it rained..and it rained..and it rained" video, you probably wouldn't be complaining. Yet again, the change was made to Nemo to bring some life to the pavillion itself, while still keeping the thematics of TLS, and Epcot as a whole. That is why the pavillion is called the Seas with Nemo and Friends. Not Nemo and Friends with the Seas.

My issue with Nemo is mostly how it has taken over the pavilion if they had just added a few Nemo exhibits based on the Nemo characters but kept the premise the same I would not have an issue with it but no, they had to completely turn the pavilion into exclusively a marketing platform for the Nemo Franchise thus destroying it's thematic cohesion with the overall park premise. For example it's akin to if they re-themed The entire Land Pavilion to the Lion King because of Circle of Life and it became "The Land with Simba & Friends"
As a matter of fact I liked Finding Nemo when it came out, after what they did to the Living Seas I now loathe it with a vengeance.

 

[Beholder]

I am an EPCOT traditionalist. I believe it was better back in the 80s and 90s. But even I admit the Living Seas was completely boring back then. Holy cow. There might have even been a tantrum thrown at one time from a littleID, because I didn't want to go in there.


As for the OT - There wouldn't be a lot needed to refurb DHS. Make a real Lucas Land, with an
updated Indy show, an Indy ride and a SW
themed restaurant with show elements. Put in
the Monster's INC family coaster, The planned
Muppets ride, an updated GMR and there you go.
No expensive thrill rides needed, or a RSR clone.

I like this approach. Keep it simple, but do ALL the things necessary to correct the cohesiveness and attraction deficit issues. The things you listed would go a long ways towards fixing them, but I would like see something big in a thematic way. Not Carsland, but unique to WDW. Lucasland would do nicely.

 

[marni1971]

My issue with Nemo is mostly how it has taken over the pavilion if they had just added a few Nemo exhibits based on the Nemo characters but kept the premise the same I would not have an issue with it but no, they had to completely turn the pavilion into exclusively a marketing platform for the Nemo Franchise thus destroying it's thematic cohesion with the overall park premise. For example it's akin to if they re-themed The entire Land Pavilion to the Lion King because of Circle of Life and it became "The Land with Simba & Friends"
As a matter of fact I liked Finding Nemo when it came out, after what they did to the Living Seas I now loathe it with a vengeance.

That's part the problem. They didn't even take over the pavilion. You can see clearly where the miserly budget ran out. Great queue, not bad ride, then Seabase Alpha in a different paint job.

 

[ChrisM]

But I'll ask Bob Iger about it if I see him next month (now, of course, I must be lying because no one on this board could ever be important enough to be at a social/industry gathering with Bob since everyone won't be!)

Working the catering again? Remember, Bob loves bacon wrapped dates.

 

[c-one]

That's part the problem. They didn't even take over the pavilion. You can see clearly where the miserly budget ran out. Great queue, not bad ride, then Seabase Alpha in a different paint job.

Exactly... the Seabase Alpha theme was one of my favorites, actually. I thought it was very innovative and immersive back in the day. I can see the argument that most the pavilion was a glorified aquarium you'll find in most cities, but I love a good aquarium so I didn't mind. The Nemo overlay got so half-arsed that it seems cheap when you get to the meat of the exhibit -- but even if it was well-executed, I'd miss Seabase Alpha. The Seas is offender #1 on the "dumbing down" of Epcot.

 

[unkadug]

And the doom and gloom rolls on. Complain, complain, complain, whine, whine, whine. Do you guys ever actually post anything on topic? If you hate WDW so much, stop going already and move on with your life. I want to come here for news, but all I see is a bunch of manchildren with the attitude of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons.

Do you ever post anything besides about other people's posts?

 

[NoChesterHester]

Working the catering again? Remember, Bob loves bacon wrapped dates.

Come on... That is funny right there.

 

[HMF]

That's part the problem. They didn't even take over the pavilion. You can see clearly where the miserly budget ran out. Great queue, not bad ride, then Seabase Alpha in a different paint job.

At least that means it is still fixable.

 

[TropicalFig8]

What I enjoy about the Seas Pavilion is the atmosphere. The ride...meh. Turtle Talk with Crush...meh.
I just go into the pavilion to enjoy the exhibits and the aquarium.
But I understand why Nemo had to go into the Seas because we all know Epcot was struggling with people who don't want to be educated while they're on vacation.

 

[HMF]

But I understand why Nemo had to go into the Seas because we all know Epcot was struggling with people who don't want to be educated while they're on vacation.

Probably don't like to be educated while not on vacation. Sadly Disney seems to cater to the Miss Teen: South Carolinas of the world.

 

[Sam Magic]

Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor: Indside sources are saying that there will be a big announcement today regarding the florida parks and it will be for a DHS expansion. As much as I want it to be true I do not know if it is.

 

[wm49rs]

Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor: Indside sources are saying that there will be a big announcement today regarding the florida parks and it will be for a DHS expansion. As much as I want it to be true I do not know if it is.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/huge-disney-announcement-coming-this-weekend.842352/

 

[FigmentJedi]

You know what would be a good solution for having the Seabase actually make some sense with the Nemo ridethru? Make it the destination of Mr. Ray's class field trip and mention it at the start. They're going to look at humans in the human tank.

 

[WDW1974]

Working the catering again? Remember, Bob loves bacon wrapped dates.

You are a hoot. Almost as funny as JT.

But, no, I'll be a VIP just like the Sheriff. ... Now, does Bob really like then bacon wrapped dates?

 

[ChrisM]

You are a hoot. Almost as funny as JT.

But, no, I'll be a VIP just like the Sheriff. ... Now, does Bob really like then bacon wrapped dates?

Oh, I'm far more entertaining than that schlep.

Unfortunately for you and Mssr Iger, I don't run in entertainment industry circles (despite having broken bread with Georgie Boy Lucas).

And who doesn't like bacon wrapped dates?

 

[ChrisFL]

Meh. The ride itself and Turtle Talk do not symbolize the original Epcot thematic elements. But you are neglecting the other half of the pavillion, which includes dolphin shows during the day, displaying how they are trained. Divequest, where you can scubadive. And a bunch of marine animal exhibits that fit the mold of Epcot's educational and thematic standpoint. So the argument does come down to Nemo. If The Living Seas was kept the way it was with the old "it rained..and it rained..and it rained" video, you probably wouldn't be complaining. Yet again, the change was made to Nemo to bring some life to the pavillion itself, while still keeping the thematics of TLS, and Epcot as a whole. That is why the pavillion is called the Seas with Nemo and Friends. Not Nemo and Friends with the Seas.

Let's not forget though, as SOON as United Technologies pulled out as the sponsor is the time the attraction's quality and upkeep started to suffer...seacabs closed right away, things started (and still do) look dingy in the aquarium, hydrolators were not used correctly anymore, etc.

The same thing happened with Horizons, it was supposed to close much earlier than it did because GE stopped sponsorship and the ride upkeep went downhill.

 

[Slowjack]

I think this is the first time I've heard any one say they DONT want to door coaster... any particular reasons why?

I've got some. Actually, I've never understood why most everyone here thinks a door coaster sounds like a great idea. Yes, the scene in the movie is clearly inspired by the concept of a suspended coaster, but so what? The excitement in that scene comes from the characters jumping from track to track, going into and out of doors, not from the "ride" itself. I'm not excited by the prospect of riding through a warehouse full of doors. That's pretty dull scenery. And would we be sitting on a door somehow?

So what's the concept, then? Do we go through the doors, seeing different places in the world? That could be cool, but that's not where the rails in the door factory go. That implies we're on something else that flies through the door factory--and at that point, we're not using the original concept. I just don't get it.

 

[BestVacation]

The saddest thing is, the MI Coaster would have fit beautifully into that 2014-2016 timeline. If they truly want to spread out the expenditures, that's where they should start.

Let's face it though, with as popular as the Osbourne Lights are (and the elecTronica/Mad T Party is), if TDO can't see that that type of party would be successful at DHS, I hold out no hope that they will ever do anything but the status quo.

Heck, they have nothing more than to look at the insane popularity of TSMM to show them that an expansion is sustainable and desperately needed!

I agree...just adding the MI Coaster would be a great starting point to DHS. The sooner the better and would work great with the new Monsters INC. movie coming up soon.