DHS to Get the DCA Treatment?

[ellie-badge]

Personally, I don't think an E-Ticket really belongs in Fantasyland. It's already a densely populated area of the park as it is, I'm sure more so once things from the expansion begin to open, and I don't think adding an E-Ticket in the area would help with crowd and traffic control. I also think Fantasyland and Storybook Circus should remain an area of the park that's targeted mainly to the younger kids, but eh, it wouldn't kill me.

That's not to say I don't think there should be an E-Ticket at all, though. It's about time for Magic Kingdom to get another one, I just think it should be located elsewhere in the park.

 

[spacemt354]

Personally, I don't think an E-Ticket really belongs in Fantasyland. It's already a densely populated area of the park as it is, I'm sure more so once things from the expansion begin to open, and I don't think adding an E-Ticket in the area would help with crowd and traffic control. I also think Fantasyland and Storybook Circus should remain an area of the park that's targeted mainly to the younger kids, but eh, it wouldn't kill me.

That's not to say I don't think there should be an E-Ticket at all, though. It's about time for Magic Kingdom to get another one, I just think it should be located elsewhere in the park.

Exactly. I don't think Fantasyland would be the place for another E-ticket either. Tomorrowland or Adventureland would be the areas I would suggest, to sort of bookend the park with E-tickets and have Fantasyland in the middle.

But back on topic, I certainly hope DHS gets DCA treatment. But I don't think it will. Big overhauls like the DCA one came from public criticism regarding the park's overall lack of Disney magic. DHS has not fallen that low and criticism from people on this site is not on the same level as the public outcry regarding DCA was, so I doubt an investment of 1.7 billion will be put into the park. This also won't happen because IMO, it still has a lot of great things going for it. Tower of Terror and RnRC are two of the greatest rides in Disney! But to make DHS better, I feel a greater attention to themed lands and the removal of stale attractions, with the replacement of new innovative ones will put DHS back on the map.

 

[Californian Elitist]

But back on topic, I certainly hope DHS gets DCA treatment. But I don't think it will. Big overhauls like the DCA one came from public criticism regarding the park's overall lack of Disney magic. DHS has not fallen that low and criticism from people on this site is not on the same level as the public outcry regarding DCA was...

I think the different types of guests have something to do with this. I've read and been told there are one-time guests that visit WDW and even the locals don't visit as often as DL locals. APs in California visit multiple times per week and per month, so they saw DCA 1.0 in its condition all the time, which then led to less visits. Those in Florida don't visit and see DHS all the time (I'm guessing), not to mention the one-time guests that have never been there and don't know what to expect from the park. I have no doubt in my mind that if DHS was in California, it would seriously get lambasted, as DCA did, and it would receive a huge renovation/makeover.

 

[spacemt354]

Those in Florida don't visit and see DHS all the time (I'm guessing), not to mention the one-time guests that have never been there and don't know what to expect from the park.

I disagree with that part. Those are two types of guests, but it's leaving out a bunch of the disney population in the middle that can still have opinions about the park. And what I mean by that is the guests who come down every year for vacation. The guests who come maybe every couple of years, 4 years, etc. And the DVC members as well.

If DHS was that bad, I feel it would have the same effect as in DCA. Guests would cut their vacation short a day or, the guests who come down every year, just wouldn't go to DHS. I mean why would they? They have 3 other parks to visit instead.

DHS has a lot of events that bring people to the parks throughout the year. ESPN the Weekend (athough that had recently been stopped), Star Wars Weekends, and Osborn Lights to name a few. I don't live in Florida, but some of the AP holders in Florida that we know, say they continue to go back to DHS because of those events and they go back mainly for the classic attractions. ToT and RnRC for example. And I'm not saying the few people we know from Florida represent all Floridians, but I think although people agree that it is in desperate need of an upgrade, it isn't as bad as the condition that DCA used to be in.

Is DHS is need of some more attractions? Of course. Is the themes of some of the lands confusing? Yes. And upgrade should be done in the near future to combat those issues. But if it was so bad, I feel the same thing that happened with DCA would happen with DHS on a public level.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I disagree with that part. Those are two types of guests, but it's leaving out a bunch of the disney population in the middle that can still have opinions about the park. And what I mean by that is the guests who come down every year for vacation. The guests who come maybe every couple of years, 4 years, etc. And the DVC members as well.

If DHS was that bad, I feel it would have the same effect as in DCA. Guests would cut their vacation short a day or, the guests who come down every year, just wouldn't go to DHS. I mean why would they? They have 3 other parks to visit instead.

DHS has a lot of events that bring people to the parks throughout the year. ESPN the Weekend (athough that had recently been stopped), Star Wars Weekends, and Osborn Lights to name a few. I don't live in Florida, but some of the AP holders in Florida that we know, say they continue to go back to DHS because of those events and they go back mainly for the classic attractions. ToT and RnRC for example. And I'm not saying the few people we know from Florida represent all Floridians, but I think although people agree that it is in desperate need of an upgrade, it isn't as bad as the condition that DCA used to be in.

Is DHS is need of some more attractions? Of course. Is the themes of some of the lands confusing? Yes. And upgrade should be done in the near future to combat those issues. But if it was so bad, I feel the same thing that happened with DCA would happen with DHS on a public level.

Hhmm, okay. I'd understand more if I actually visited the park. I still say the park would get lambasted and talked about like a dog if it were in California.

 

[spacemt354]

Hhmm, okay. I'd understand more if I actually visited the park. I still say the park would get lambasted and talked about like a dog if it were in California.

Yeah, and I'm sure if I visited DCA more often living out in California I would have had stronger and more accurate opinions about it. Because it is difficult to fully grade things that you either haven't experienced, or haven't experienced often enough to pick up on the little details.

To my family and I, Disney World is our home away from home. We truly enjoy it, but we have been there enough to know when somethings need updating. DHS is one of those things. But it's not on the level yet where we will just completely dismiss it from our trip, because some attractions there are our favorites!

 

[El Grupo]

Hhmm, okay. I'd understand more if I actually visited the park. I still say the park would get lambasted and talked about like a dog if it were in California.

Having visited both CA and DHS on multiple occasions, I have to agree. That is the reason DHS needs equal attention.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Yeah, and I'm sure if I visited DCA more often living out in California I would have had stronger and more accurate opinions about it. Because it is difficult to fully grade things that you either haven't experienced, or haven't experienced often enough to pick up on the little details.

To my family and I, Disney World is our home away from home. We truly enjoy it, but we have been there enough to know when somethings need updating. DHS is one of those things. But it's not on the level yet where we will just completely dismiss it from our trip, because some attractions there are our favorites!

Oh of course. It's harder to state opinions about things when you don't know much about them. How do you and your family feel about the "backlot" tour? I hear it's horrible.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Having visited both CA and DHS on multiple occasions, I have to agree. That is the reason DHS needs equal attention.

Yep. Disneyland guests are way more hardcore and much less passive, with high expectations. I read an interview where Tony Baxter even called DL fans "discriminatory" and it's so true. I hope DHS gets the attention it needs.

 

[spacemt354]

Oh of course. It's harder to state opinions about things when you don't know much about them. How do you and your family feel about the "backlot" tour? I hear it's horrible.

The ride itself is not bad if you are riding it for the first time. It's not a horrible ride persay. The Catastrophe Canyon is pretty cool.

What is horrible about the Backlot is a few things. First is a Pre-show about the special effects for the film Pearl Harbor (a movie made over a decade ago). It's so long and pointless and with all the new special effects out there today, there is nothing "special" about the pre-show anymore.

Also the ride has been cut short since 2003. There used to be a Residential Street section to the ride, but with Lights Motors Action being built, that was torn down and a lot of the boneyard area was reduced as well. It is a shell of its former self to people who had been on it before 2003. At this point, it needs to go for the sake of the park. This was one of the stale rides I referred to my earlier post. With this ride removed, the expansion of Pixar Place can begin, bringing back life to that area of the park!

 

[Californian Elitist]

The ride itself is not bad if you are riding it for the first time. It's not a horrible ride persay. The Catastrophe Canyon is pretty cool.

What is horrible about the Backlot is a few things. First is a Pre-show about the special effects for the film Pearl Harbor (a movie made over a decade ago). It's so long and pointless and with all the new special effects out there today, there is nothing "special" about the pre-show anymore.

Also the ride has been cut short since 2003. There used to be a Residential Street section to the ride, but with Lights Motors Action being built, that was torn down and a lot of the boneyard area was reduced as well. It is a shell of its former self to people who had been on it before 2003. At this point, it needs to go for the sake of the park. This was one of the stale rides I referred to my earlier post. With this ride removed, the expansion of Pixar Place can begin, bringing back life to that area of the park!

Wow. Yeah, it doesn't sound too good. Nothing I'd experience myself. Hopefully something happens to it soon!

 

[Cosmic Commando]

look back scene for scene. the sound tunnel was better in complete darkness. the star field vs a loading dock. the butterfly effect had more impact in the first redo. The gravity lab vs figments house looked better. I know this is all personal opinion but i really think the first one gets such a bad rap because Figment was only there in the last scene.

You're in trouble when you watch a video of a ride and think,"I liked the part where the toilet flushed." Seriously, that was terrible. I ride through the current ride and think about how empty it is... I can't believe there was that much less in Journey into Your Imagination!

I think the sound lab is better in the new version... it tells a story instead of just randomly playing a train noise. The star field is awesome and is in both versions. The butterfly is cool, but how much impact is it supposed to have? It's a simple little effect. The gravity lab? Well... I liked the part where the toilet flushed.

 

[WDW1974]

What is your opinion on Kathy's work? I think she could be a fairly good thing for WDW. Shes been with the company for quite awhile now I believe. While Imagination still needs to be totally redone, she at least made it better (with the meager budget given) than what it was in 99 after the first atrocious redo.

My feelings on her are mixed. She isn't terrible, but she isn't anything great (or better than what WDW currently has) either. ... I also give the late David Mumford credit for putting a small part of the original Imagination back while on his last WDI project (he sadly died soon after). Eddie Sotto, who I believe was asked to head to Tokyo and take up work on TDS's Mermaid Lagoon when David was diagnosed, might know more so perhaps you'd want to ask him over on 'his' thread.

But this isn't going to be a major change in focus until someone in Burbank forcefeeds it down TDO's collective throats. It's so amazingly, astoundingly telling that any decent WDW project never sees the light of day beyond a coffee table book.

 

[WDW1974]

Supposedly Kathy is going to be involved with multiple projects...from what I've told. As a producer she could be working on anything.

Yes. From what I've been told she's basically taking over the entire WDW portfolio in some new capacity, so as to not bounce Eric and Joe from their respective jobs. I've asked a few people and still don't know the exact breakdown, so I feel uncomfortable saying more ... so I won't.

 

[WDW1974]

My prints say Aug 2008. So it must been submitted for approval after that, then it got killed because of money.

Very possible.

All I know was it seemed like it was going to happen early in 08. I moved to China for a work assignment for close to four months, came back in the fall and it was deader than the real estate market.

 

[WDW1974]

And we have to take him at his word of that. Right.

No.

We don't.

We all know that Lee lies and makes stuff up because he is on this board and therefore must be a no-lifer, right?

Isn't that how many tend to judge few here? That if they never get told about possible plans for Disney parks through top-flight connections, then it stands to reason that NO ONE could possibly get them ... let alone some loser who would waste his/her (in some cases clearly both) time here pontificating about it.

Lee heard Avatar rumors. He wasn't the only one. He dismissed them. He wasn't the only one. It made sense because Avatar at DAK makes NONE.

But I'll ask Bob Iger about it if I see him next month (now, of course, I must be lying because no one on this board could ever be important enough to be at a social/industry gathering with Bob since everyone won't be!)

Yep ... summertime, I HATE IT!

 

[WDW1974]

Fantasyland will be gorgeous when all is said and done. Even Storybook Circus looks great. Rich detail, full of texture.

Gorgeous? I think that word is (or has been of late) thrown around too much. I haven't seen anything at MK's Fantasyland that looks gorgeous ... see plenty in DCA 2.0 ... and in HKDL's Grizzly Gulch ... and even in TDS's TSMM ... but MK?!? Well, I'm not judging it 'til it is complete.

But content. Content has been the issue since day 1. I'll give them credit for revising the plan. Personally, I don't think Mk really needs a new E ticket at the moment. I'm not one of those who complains that MK han't gotten an E Ticket since Splash.

Well, someone once said that content is king and the MAGIC KINGDOM could seriously use an infusion of new content. And I certainly think that when you go two decades without adding an E-Ticket at the No. 1 park in the world that it is the height of arrogance, avarice and just plain poor management. So, yeah, I don't agree!

 

[HMF]

Yeesh.

That's one hell of an ignorant thing to say.

It is also one reason we can't have nice things.

Talk to the Dineyland fanbase, They wanted the Submarine Voyage back for years. It came back with a Nemo overlay, now they could care less about the Subs. Granted, most of them would prefer the subs with a different theme but they have been reacting to the prospect of removing the subs better than they did when the original ride closed.

 

[ellie-badge]

Talk to the Dineyland fanbase, They wanted the Submarine Voyage back for years. It came back with a Nemo overlay, now they could care less about the Subs. Granted, most of them would prefer the subs with a different theme but they have been reacting to the prospect of removing the subs better than they did when the original ride closed.

... so this is just a Finding Nemo issue?

 

[HMF]

... so this is just a Finding Nemo issue?

It's more about thematic appropriateness. Epcot is supposed to be a serious park showcasing the world and how we are one world and that together we can create a better future for mankind. The Seas with Nemo & Friends does not fit that message. As for Disneyland , the big criticism of the Subs there is that it feels like simply watching a DVD underwater rather than immersing you in another world..