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[dweezil78]

I agree entirely. They should tear down Innoventions, the stage, Pizza restaurant, theater, People Mover tracks and burger restaurant. Build a sweeping 3 story integrated building from Space Mountain towards Autopia, which will have stores and fast food restaurants on the first floor, attractions or queues on the second floor, and a table restaurant on the third floor. On the opposite side, a new Tomorrowland stage with Astro Orbitor relocated above.

As for Autopia, remove PM tracks. Put a new Tron roller coaster above with indoor scenes for both rides.

Yeah, trying to retrofit a new Tomorrowland into the 50-60+ year old infrastructure of current Tomorrowland is definitely the wrong way to go. I'd hope they would just completely level everything and do something ambitious for the re-do. Maybe save Space Mountain since that's so iconic, but honestly, I'd rather them just build an all-new SM from the ground up as a tribute to what was there formerly.

 

[Shigg. W. McGee]

Yeah, trying to retrofit a new Tomorrowland into the 50-60+ year old infrastructure of current Tomorrowland is definitely the wrong way to go. I'd hope they would just completely level everything and do something ambitious for the re-do. Maybe save Space Mountain since that's so iconic, but honestly, I'd rather them just build an all-new SM from the ground up as a tribute to what was there formerly.

Honestly, I'd be more than fine with @RandySavage's most recent Tomorrowland. As long as the land gets a new, unified, architectural aesthetic, I'll probably be alright with it.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Honestly, I'd be more than fine with @RandySavage's most recent Tomorrowland. As long as the land gets a new, unified, architectural aesthetic, I'll probably be alright with it. View attachment 268985

You had me at New Horizons.

 

[Shigg. W. McGee]

Alternatively, TRF's Tomorrowland seems to maintain more of the current Tomorrowland attractions, while both revitalizing the area, and bringing it into the 21st (22nd?) century.

 

[Shigg. W. McGee]

Oddly enough, both seem to think that the Carousel Theater is a great location for a new Horizons.

 

[DanielBB8]

Alternatively, TRF's Tomorrowland seems to maintain more of the current Tomorrowland attractions, while both revitalizing the area, and bringing it into the 21st (22nd?) century. View attachment 268986

Not with New Horizons. You can’t bring Tomorrowland to the future with failed ideas of the past. Horizons is a failed attraction and it will be installed in a failed Innoventions building.

 

[Phroobar]

Oddly enough, both seem to think that the Carousel Theater is a great location for a new Horizons.

That is where I would put New Horizons. It's got lots of space for a great omnimover or robot arm-type ride. Basically give us an updated version of Epcot's Future World. We don't need a circlevision show. Soaring kind of killed that idea.

 

[Phroobar]

Not with New Horizons. You can’t bring Tomorrowland to the future with failed ideas of the past. Horizons is a failed attraction and it will be installed in a failed Innoventions building.

A new Horizons show is totally what Tomorrowland is dedicated for.

 

[Shigg. W. McGee]

Not with New Horizons. You can’t bring Tomorrowland to the future with failed ideas of the past. Horizons is a failed attraction and it will be installed in a failed Innoventions building.

Horizons didn't fail, Disney stopped wanting to pay for it, so they dropped it in a sinkhole.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Not with New Horizons. You can’t bring Tomorrowland to the future with failed ideas of the past. Horizons is a failed attraction and it will be installed in a failed Innoventions building.

Just out of morbid curiosity, did you ever actually ride Horizons??

It is far from a "failed" attraction. Unless your definition of "failed" is anything that currently doesn't exist.

 

[dweezil78]

Just out of morbid curiosity, did you ever actually ride Horizons??

It is far from a "failed" attraction. Unless your definition of "failed" is anything that currently doesn't exist.

I will preface this with saying Horizons is my favorite attraction ever. I have Chris Wallace's awesome (partially completed) Horizons VR for my Oculus Rift and will sometimes just hang out in the queue because that's how much I love Horizons.

But the truth is, Horizons was indeed flawed in its execution. It was a behemoth AA show almost entirely dedicated towards looking at the future, once you get beyond the 'future of the past.' To maintain a show like that, especially with how often technology and visions of the future are changing today, is a near impossible task. It is flawed in the same way the concept of an actual forward-looking Tomorrowland is or even Innoventions for that matter. There is no realistic way to maintain that kind of thing and keep it relevant without constantly pouring money into it.

While sure you can blame Disney for being cheap or not maintaining/fixing certain attractions , I think this is an issue that goes beyond typical upkeep. I'm glad I was able to experience Horizons, but I also have to accept we'll sadly never see an attraction quite like it ever again unless it relies on more easily update-able media (AKA screens). I'm ok without that.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I will preface this with saying Horizons is my favorite attraction ever. I have Chris Wallace's awesome (partially completed) Horizons VR for my Oculus Rift and will sometimes just hang out in the queue because that's how much I love Horizons.

But the truth is, Horizons was indeed flawed in its execution. It was a behemoth AA show almost entirely dedicated towards looking at the future, once you get beyond the 'future of the past.' To maintain a show like that, especially with how often technology and visions of the future are changing today, is a near impossible task. It is flawed in the same way the concept of an actual forward-looking Tomorrowland is or even Innoventions for that matter. There is no realistic way to maintain that kind of thing and keep it relevant without constantly pouring money into it.

While sure you can blame Disney for being cheap or not maintaining/fixing certain attractions , I think this is an issue that goes beyond typical upkeep. I'm glad I was able to experience Horizons, but I also have to accept we'll sadly never see an attraction quite like it ever again unless it relies on more easily update-able media (AKA screens). I'm ok without that.

I agree that it was probably overly ambitious, but...I still don't think I could call it a failure.

It has continued to live on far beyond its shelf-life because it had one thing that current attractions don't: hope.
Horizons was hopeful for the future that could be created (we're still a FAR ways off from what was represented there).
Horizons helped its guests see beyond themselves, beyond familiar characters, and take an interest in their own futures. The mantra "if you can dream it, you can do it" will never go away. In fact, its more relevant today than it was in 1983 when it opened. You'll never be able to take that away from it.

True story: I listened to the attraction audio yesterday on my way to work, and wouldn't you know I had a better day because of it.

 

[DanielBB8]

Just out of morbid curiosity, did you ever actually ride Horizons??

It is far from a "failed" attraction. Unless your definition of "failed" is anything that currently doesn't exist.

Yes as if you expect a different answer if I didn’t. LOL

A failed attraction is a closure. It also show that Disney was unable to keep it open with its original purpose.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Yes as if you expect a different answer if I didn’t. Lol

No, its just that I find most of the people who are quick to dismiss Horizons were people who never actually rode it in the first place.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I have no faith in modern Disney doing the Tomorrowland (or Future World) concept justice. Yes there's lots you COULD do, but the franchise-only attitude basically kills any chance of creativity or respect for the land's original intentions.

WDW is really lucky to still have Carousel of Progress, the PeopleMover and Astro Orbitor where it should be. It helps to make up for how crummy the rest of the land is.

 

[dweezil78]

I agree that it was probably overly ambitious, but...I still don't think I could call it a failure.

It has continued to live on far beyond its shelf-life because it had one thing that current attractions don't: hope.
Horizons was hopeful for the future that could be created (we're still a FAR ways off from what was represented there).
Horizons helped its guests see beyond themselves, beyond familiar characters, and take an interest in their own futures. The mantra "if you can dream it, you can do it" will never go away. In fact, its more relevant today than it was in 1983 when it opened. You'll never be able to take that away from it.

True story: I listened to the attraction audio yesterday on my way to work, and wouldn't you know I had a better day because of it.

Nah...I wouldn't call it a failure. But certainly flawed as far as any hope for longevity goes. With an attraction so large and ambitious, you'd think that they would have thought that part through a bit more!

By the time it went part-time in 94, Horizons was pretty much a ghost town sadly. By then it was sponsor-less and the only reason it was kept around was because neighboring Universe of Energy and World of Motion were both closed and getting updates.

 

[dweezil78]

I have no faith in modern Disney doing the Tomorrowland (or Future World) concept justice. Yes there's lots you COULD do, but the franchise-only attitude basically kills any chance of creativity or respect for the land's original intentions.

WDW is really lucky to still have Carousel of Progress, the PeopleMover and Astro Orbitor where it should be. It helps to make up for how crummy the rest of the land is.

There are tons of reasons why you can point fingers at Disney for not being able to do it right -- but the reality is, I can't even buy a freaking iPhone without worrying that it's going to be out of date in 6 months. Can you imagine trying to keep a legit land of the future updated??

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Nah...I wouldn't call it a failure. But certainly flawed as far as any hope for longevity goes. With an attraction so large and ambitious, you'd think that would have thought that part through a bit more!

By the time it went part-time in 94, Horizons was pretty much a ghost town sadly. By then it was sponsor-less and the only reason it was kept around was because neighboring Universe of Energy and World of Motion were both closed and getting updates.

And again, lack of updates/upkeep hurt it more than its content did.

 

[dweezil78]

And again, lack of updates/upkeep hurt it more than its content did.

It all goes hand-in-hand I think. To do a proper update to an attraction like that would have taken a lot of time -- and by the time you get the new show scenes in place, you risk them being out of date already (or totally wrong in the prediction).

 

[Animaniac93-98]

DLP's Discoveryland (before Buzz Lightyear) and WDW's Tomorrowland from Dec 94 - Dec 97 where the best versions of the concept. And neither was "dated" or needed much updating. Just look at the attraction line up of the later:

Alien Encounter
The Timekeeper
Carousel of Progress [then not dated]
Dreamflight
Skyway to Fantasyland
Tomorrowland Transit Authority [aka PeopleMover]
Astro Orbitor
Space Mountain
Tomorrowland Indy Speedway
Galaxy Palace Theater