Rumor D23 2024 WDW Rumors, Predictions & Discussion

doctornick

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Yes, I specified that Zootopia will be utilization gains. But encanto and the carousel will both be capacity gains. Over TS and PW.

Even ignoring Boneyard, so? I mean, that's nice that they are spending 100's of millions of dollars and having some slight capacity increase. I'm sure after this is done that DAK will be somewhat better than currently though it will suck in the meantime when stuff goes off line.

But you know what would be better: spending hundreds of millions of dollars and keeping what they already have while adding something more. That's even greater capacity gains.
 

doctornick

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Very honestly, all my enthusiasm coming out of the weekend has evaporated. And not because of "what" is coming to WDW, but in "how" it is all being implemented.

And despite my rants about certain aspects, it's not even about the specific locations per se but actually the philosophy. specifically: why do they continue to replace at WDW instead of add?

DAK and DHS are two parks that suffer from the same fundamental issue. There is not enough to do at them. And it's a bit of a feedback loop because since there isn't enough stuff to do relatively to attendance, the things they do have get very long waits which means you end up spending enough time in the park but not doing enough. Having a bunch more things that would spread out crowds and reduce wait times would allow guests to both experience more in general but also make the waits they do have more pleasant.

And on top of that, we already see complaints with tiering at WDW for LLMP which is a direct result of (again) not having enough to do so they have to ration the attractions that they have. DLR which has a lot more attractions doesn't have the same issue and they don't have tiers (and wouldn't even if they had advanced booking). The volume of ride capacity relative to attendance is much better distributed there which means that people can have better days and do more.

So, with this in mind, they announced a bunch of "additions" that are just completely backwards for WDW:

1. Attractions at DAK that are only replacements, no additions. Even if you consider PW long gone (you shouldn't) and so Encanto is "new" capacity you are also losing the Boneyard with no replacement

2. An attraction at DHS that seems poised to be a replacement - MuppetVision going away most likely - and being built in the park boundaries that are too small

2a. And then we get rumors of a potentially shorter term "addition" which seems like it will be Incredibles replacing RNR. So again, plenty of money invested, no actual capacity increase.

3. Rather than put something in the vacant Stitch building or build Moana on the AL expansion pad, we see a massive construction project in a guest facing area in MK that involves removal of (yes underutilized) attractions. We also have rumors of replacing HoP with Muppets which again would more money spent not even changing capacity or netting anything new.

I don't get it. Honestly, I really don't. Are the people making the decisions this stupid? Do they not understand what "addition" means? Do they not see the lines for rides and the complaints about not being able to do enough? Or not booking enough on LLMP to make it worthwhile? Does anyone in charge actual realize that they have multiple parks that have fewer than 10 rides after being open for decades?

How tough is it to look at a map and say "this area is currently not developed, let's put something there that gives guests more stuff to do"? It's a very simple concept. And there are tons of such spaces in each of the parks.

Pretty much the only thing really that good to come out of this for WDW is the Villains expansion and the light parade. Which I'm very happy about both, but ironically they "help" the park has the least needs.

I was actually pretty excited going into this past weekend as I thought that finally they realized that the way they have been treating WDW is wrong and they needed a different approach to make the parks better. Okay, Dinoland was going to be what it was but I expected everything else to be largely gains - TLK on new land in DAK, Moana on new land in MK, BBTM (whatever was chosen) on new land in MK, anything in DHS to be using backstage (e.g. animation building footprint). I didn't expect anything for Epcot except maybe an Inside Out show in Magic Eye (yes, that would be a replacement, but what is there is a placeholder IMHO not a real attraction). Anyway, maybe not all of that stuff but I figured whichever came out would be a new gain for the parks.

And yet somehow they managed to not to that. At all. It's really unfathomable.
 

Quietmouse

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Never thought there was a desire from people for dinoland usa to stay. That place was gross in terms of theming even though it was intentional and always stuck out like a sore thumb. My family always avoided that area because we didn’t want carnival rides when we could go to our local county fair and ride carnival rides.
 

Quietmouse

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Something that seems really odd to me is that with everything that got announced at D23 for WDW, we still have some glaring holes in the park that are not being fixed.

Specially....

1. Abandoned Wonders of Life at EPCOT
2. Journey into Imagination at EPCOT
3. Pixar Short Film Festival at EPCOT
4. Stitch's Great Escape at MK

I would think all four of those would be at the top of the list to fix before everything else.

My best guess is that they need content for next year show. Seems like the new lands will take up the bulk of the next 5 years of major announcement space - so I wouldn’t be surprised if next year is more dedicated to ride placements like stitch.
 

doctornick

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Never thought there was a desire from people for dinoland usa to stay. That place was gross in terms of theming even though it was intentional and always stuck out like a sore thumb. My family always avoided that area because we didn’t want carnival rides when we could go to our local county fair and ride carnival rides.

Remove Dinorama? Yes. Ideally for a good dinosaur themed ride (e.g. Excavator)

Remove Dinosaur (the ride) and Dinoland USA in general. No. It was perfectly fine and there should be dinosaurs represented in DAK.
 

Quietmouse

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Remove Dinorama? Yes. Ideally for a good dinosaur themed ride (e.g. Excavator)

Remove Dinosaur (the ride) and Dinoland USA in general. No. It was perfectly fine and there should be dinosaurs represented in DAK.

The dinosaur ride was good, everything else was honestly meh from a lot of a different aspects. The county fair festival being the worst thing imagineering has ever put out.
 

ednamodedarling

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The real question is what happens to Nemo? Does it become it's own "mini-land" in the time being? Just called "Theater of the Wild"?
Put it out of it's misery. The new version is a tragic shell of it's former self. New show or bulldoze it for something new. Maybe Moana once again is back on the table for DAK instead of MK. But then I would much rather the lion king flume in DAK over Moana.
 

Homemade Imagineering

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Something that seems really odd to me is that with everything that got announced at D23 for WDW, we still have some glaring holes in the park that are not being fixed.

Specially....

1. Abandoned Wonders of Life at EPCOT
2. Journey into Imagination at EPCOT
3. Pixar Short Film Festival at EPCOT
4. Stitch's Great Escape at MK

I would think all four of those would be at the top of the list to fix before everything else.
It’s baffling to think I would’ve expected all of this to have been done by 2025 5 years ago. Then again we did go thru a worldwide pandemic which certainly didn’t help anything, but if they can announce things like Door Coaster (despite it’s controversial placement merits) then the optimist in me says these will be next. Others have indicated this to be the case at least, have you heard anything yourself?
 

bwr827

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Remove Dinorama? Yes. Ideally for a good dinosaur themed ride (e.g. Excavator)

Remove Dinosaur (the ride) and Dinoland USA in general. No. It was perfectly fine and there should be dinosaurs represented in DAK.
Dinoland looks awful and detracts from the atmosphere of Disney and AK.

You’re in a world-class theme park and then suddenly you’re walking around a low-rent regional park.
 

Tha Realest

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Does the old stitch space converting to the aliens film in Tomorrowland have any real traction?
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UNCgolf

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It's something that would likely have a Lightning Lane, put it that way.

New meet and greet!

More realistically, I'm guessing a big new show to replace Beauty and the Beast. That's the only thing I can think of that wouldn't require new construction.
 

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