Rumor D23 2024 WDW Rumors, Predictions & Discussion

[Stripes]

Not if you include the four cruise ships within the Florida spending.

Of course, for labor and tax purposes they won’t be “in” Florida, but for the $17 billion in spending they may be.

The $17 billion doesn’t include the cruise line but it does include tech and maintenance for WDW.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

I really question how Frank Oz will defend Jim's Legacy at the Legends awards..

 

[aladdin2007]

That is literally not true.

and how is it not, You wont be able to just walk up and get in line for any of these things, You will have to play the system to pay or win a spot.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Yeah I mean agree to disagree I guess. There's a reason Muppets runs half empty every show.

I think that has more to do with quality than IP though, it’s an old show that hasn’t aged very well. As much as I love the muppets I won’t be sad to see this go, it’s not a great use of the space and Disney needs all the capacity they can get.

I just hope they don’t mistake the dislike of a 20 year old 3D Muppets ride for a dislike of the muppets, they deserve better.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think that has more to do with quality than IP though, it’s an old show that hasn’t aged very well. As much as I love the muppets I won’t be sad to see this go, it’s not a great use of the space and Disney needs all the capacity they can get.

I just hope they don’t mistake the dislike of a 20 year old 3D Muppets ride for a dislike of the muppets, they deserve better.

They've tried Muppet projects on broadcast TV and Disney+. The audience isn't there.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Back in the day there was Lights Motor Action Stunt Spectacular only performed during the day . There was an indoor theatre at the exit of the stadium towards the Mama Melrose , Muppets 3D exit. I entered that theatre just wanting to check it out and it was a huge theatre that seated over 500 guests. No shows were performed that I know of there and that for a number of years was pretty much a wasted space. All that was demolished to make way for SW land.

Shortly before its demise, it was a flex space. It hosted the Frozen singalong until it got a permanent home.

 

[SirLink]

Yeah I mean agree to disagree I guess. There's a reason Muppets runs half empty every show.

But has high GSR

 

[BrianLo]

I think it is safe to fact check them on ‘currently’ they are in fact delivering on their 60B spending promise. I’ve mentioned it represents about 50% more decade on decade in a post Inflationary sense (50% more for double the spend).

It’s hard to compare totally because 2017 was mid investment cycle. 2013 was super scant and 2015 carried Galaxies Edge and Shanghai Disney. So really even the worst announcement slate domestically maybe we could still justify they were “on track”. But exceeding 2017’s slate by a very subjective 50% means they seem to be delivering.

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I think they met that benchmark. While WDW is a bit hard to definitively say it’s increased by 50%, the comparable of 4 versus 2 ships and the DCA slate clearly tips this in this years panels favour. Plus a few of those announcements in 2017 are closed, never built or fluff. Which of course these could always be too.

 

[BrianLo]

Carnival and Royal both have multiple ships based out of LA/Long beach year round. On top of that they also have west coast ships that rotate between Cali and Canada.

Carnival in total has 4 ships permanently based on the west coast.

PCL and HAL both have ships that are permanently based on the west coast and rotate between Cali and Canada as well.

Oh sorry I misread that. I was treating Alaska and Cali as different markets, but yes ‘west coast permanent’ I read as California permanent.

 

[UNCgolf]

I think that has more to do with quality than IP though, it’s an old show that hasn’t aged very well. As much as I love the muppets I won’t be sad to see this go, it’s not a great use of the space and Disney needs all the capacity they can get.

I just hope they don’t mistake the dislike of a 20 year old 3D Muppets ride for a dislike of the muppets, they deserve better.

It may not be a great use of the space, but it's certainly better than replacing it, because as you said -- Disney needs all the capacity they can get, especially at DHS. They don't need to replace something when they have room to add. Maybe if what they were replacing was literally sitting empty, but that's not the case for Muppets.

It's the same reason replacing Dinosaur doesn't really make sense (it makes even less sense actually, since Dinosaur is fully utilized capacity), even though I'll probably prefer the Indy attraction.

The Door Coaster isn't one of the smarter things they could have chosen for DHS in general, simply because it's not what the park needs right now. Adding it as a replacement for another attraction would be a really stupid move.

 

[Magenta Panther]

If Disney could ever figure out how to use the muppets, there is so much potential there. For both the adults and kids

Disney has given them 2 movies (one of which flopped), several series (nearly all of which were quickly cancelled), and a presence on Youtube. And the muppets can't sell merchandise (which is why their dedicated store in DHS was taken over by Mickey and friends). What exactly could Disney do with them that hasn't been done already? What is there to "figure out"?

I mean, if you like them, fine, but I'd much rather Iger got rid of the puppet theater rather than get rid of RoA and the riverboat. Two attractions, BTW, that are NOT based on IP...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Has any actual evidence come out that Monsters is replacing Muppets or are people just speculating?

 

[UNCgolf]

Has any actual evidence come out that Monsters is replacing Muppets or are people just speculating?

One of the pieces of concept art seemingly has it placed it in the Muppets area.

The other doesn't, though, and the physical model seems to line up with the latter, so I don't think it's going to replace anything.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Has any actual evidence come out that Monsters is replacing Muppets or are people just speculating?

Spec so far.

 

[PREMiERdrum]

Has any actual evidence come out that Monsters is replacing Muppets or are people just speculating?

The background in one of the two pieces of art is clearly SOA / Grand Ave-ish. However, it seems much more likely that Monsters is heading to AC, and that the "neighborhood block" aesthetic is being extended as the creative moves away from huge "soundstages".

 

[SirLink]

Disney has given them 2 movies (one of which flopped), several series (nearly all of which were quickly cancelled), and a presence on Youtube. And the muppets can't sell merchandise (which is why their dedicated store in DHS was taken over by Mickey and friends). What exactly could Disney do with them that hasn't been done already? What is there to "figure out"?

I mean, if you like them, fine, but I'd much rather Iger got rid of the puppet theater rather than get rid of RoA and the riverboat. Two attractions, BTW, that are NOT based on IP...

If there is no parks merchandise to get outside of Mickey's of Glendale then how can people buy it. Disney need to make The Muppets less sweet. More like The Simpsons/Futurama quite frankly.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Has any actual evidence come out that Monsters is replacing Muppets or are people just speculating?

Speculation, it’s amazing that with all the land they have at WDW they’ve severely limited the land available to HS, world drive prevents any expansion to the east, Galaxies edge prevents any expansion to the south, the entrance prevents and expansion to the north… the only real options are the animation courtyard, the muppets/Indy area, or west into the parking lot.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I mean that's Launch Bay right? Like very clearly?

So we lose Disney Junior and Launch Bay and maybe Mermaid.

 

[SirLink]

Also one attraction does not a land make, if their are no other attractions associated with "Monstropolis" does it need to be a "land"?

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Disney has given them 2 movies (one of which flopped), several series (nearly all of which were quickly cancelled), and a presence on Youtube. And the muppets can't sell merchandise (which is why their dedicated store in DHS was taken over by Mickey and friends). What exactly could Disney do with them that hasn't been done already? What is there to "figure out"?

I mean, if you like them, fine, but I'd much rather Iger got rid of the puppet theater rather than get rid of RoA and the riverboat. Two attractions, BTW, that are NOT based on IP...

If i'm remembering correctly, you hate the Muppets on an innate level. Even back when Jim Henson was running it. As Frank Oz stated in that interview, Disney's Muppets are nothing like they once were. I enjoy the classic Muppets and even I admit that. It's a common thing with franchises that Disney takes ownership of, many Star Wars fans can relate with.

The Muppets were extremely popular for quite a few decades, even throughout the 90s for a time after Jim Henson passed they still had a number of popular and successful bits of media such as their versions of Treasure Island and Christmas Carol. I also find that their old material holds up amazingly well, much of which I was not raised on and only first saw as an adult. I think if you can see past your intrinsic hatred of the IP, you could also see that Disney's attempts with the IP have been less well liked even from the same audiences than they were under Jim Henson and his initial successors that handled it in the several years following his death. It is not the same now.