Cuts coming to every area of parks and resorts - thanks to Shanghai and Paris

[Cesar R M]

Because it is China and TWDC is the minority owner.

but in the long run.. Will Disney end expending more even if they have less % of ownership?
I mean, those rebuilds surely aint cheap!

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Forgot or deliberately avoided as they have with all of the new parks since 1992?

Well, at least they learned to not overbuild hotel rooms.

 

[Magenta Panther]

This is the scariest statement I've seen on these boards. Expending long-term good will to try to hide near-term losses is a disaster in the making. It sounds like Washington politics.

Just when the guest experience was beginning to turn around in Orlando, they cast the gains to the four winds. It's going to take a generation to recover from this. Why couldn't the Weatherman declare victory and get out of Dodge? When this comes home to roost (and it will), it will undo him and his legacy.

Good! GOOD! GOOD A BILLION TIMES!
I hope ESPN collapses on top of him too!

 

[JustLikeMe]

I also think people are going overboard about some of the attractions there just because they have ... say a Tron fixation ... or because they think Voyage to the Crystal Grotto is more than just a different take on Storybook Land. The only attraction that truly could raise the bar would be Pirates. And that is if the execution equals the promise.

What about Roaring Rapids? The concept art looks quite impressive - is the reality likely to underwhelm?

As an aside, I've been reading your threads for many years now, but I'm not one to comment much. I'm far from a lifestyler but I am quite a fan of the Disney parks - well, some of them at least - and following a visit to Hong Kong in November of last year I've now been to all of them world wide. I was planning on visiting Shanghai next year, but I think I may delay that trip until 2018 now.

Not many people report information from the resorts located outside the States, so thanks for taking the time to keep those of us who are interested in the international parks informed, it's much appreciated.

 

[marni1971]

Sounds like a huge case of tons of style but little substance. Buzz and Peter Pan look really plussed over there though. Seems like Disney forgot the art of a "complete" park at opening.

Buzz.... that's another story. Not a nice one.

 

[jt04]

Well, at least they learned to not overbuild hotel rooms.

Hotel capacity at WDW will be in short supply in a couple years. Good thing someone had the vision to get ahead of demand or there might be panic building going on. That never or only rarely equates to quality. IMO.

 

[jt04]

Good! GOOD! GOOD A BILLION TIMES!
I hope ESPN collapses on top of him too!

Zero chance. They are still imagineering new ways to monetize it. Live sports is a growth industry.

 

[BrianLo]

What about Roaring Rapids? The concept art looks quite impressive - is the reality likely to underwhelm?

As an aside, I've been reading your threads for many years now, but I'm not one to comment much. I'm far from a lifestyler but I am quite a fan of the Disney parks - well, some of them at least - and following a visit to Hong Kong in November of last year I've now been to all of them world wide. I was planning on visiting Shanghai next year, but I think I may delay that trip until 2018 now.

Not many people report information from the resorts located outside the States, so thanks for taking the time to keep those of us who are interested in the international parks informed, it's much appreciated.

You'd be very safe with 2017 (you want to go during spring or summer months to minimize the smog). Whatever the issues, they'll be sorted a year out, or won't get sorted at all. Heading into 2018 there is a good chance you'll be seeing a half built Everest.

 

[jt04]

Don't Disney parks always open with the paint still wet and new attractions soon to open?

#tradition

 

[BrianLo]

Buzz.... that's another story. Not a nice one.

I'm all ears!

 

[marni1971]

Hotel capacity at WDW will be in short supply in a couple years. Good thing someone had the vision to get ahead of demand or there might be panic building going on.

I doubt it.

Overbuilding - as you seem to approve of - almost brought down Disneyland Paris remember.

I see you're back btw.

 

[jt04]

I doubt it.

Overbuilding - as you seem to approve of - almost brought down Disneyland Paris remember.

I see you're back btw.

If only they had chosen Barcelona. Was that considered?

 

[marni1971]

If only they had chosen Barcelona. Was that considered?

Yes. Unsuitable.

But that has nothing to do with overbuilding rooms.

 

[jt04]

Yes. As was the southern Spannish coast. Both unsuitable.

But that has nothing to do with overbuilding rooms.

I will always believe choosing infrastructure over content in the building timeline is the prudent way to go. Paris and Orlando are vastly different scenarios. And nobody can blame current management with the issues with Paris Disneyland. Content should be king in Paris due to the close proximity of other quality parks. IMO. WDW will absorb guests from the close proximity of Orlando's other theme parks and the growth at same. Unlike Paris. Paris needs content, content, content.

 

[marni1971]

I will always believe choosing infrastructure over content in the building timeline is the prudent way to go. Paris and Orlando are vastly different scenarios. And nobody can blame current management with the issues with Paris Disneyland. Content should be king in Paris due to the close proximity of other quality parks. IMO. WDW will absorb guests from the close proximity of Orlando's other theme parks and the growth at same. Unlike Paris. Paris needs content, content, content.

Why did you stop posting for so long?

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Hotel capacity at WDW will be in short supply in a couple years. Good thing someone had the vision to get ahead of demand or there might be panic building going on. That never or only rarely equates to quality. IMO.

I'm talking about opening day hotel capacity. EuroDisney's biggest problem wasn't that they spent too much money on the park. Rather that Eisner, and the Strat Planners who signed off on it, overbuilt the number of hotel rooms for opening day. The park was very successful from day one, but not enough guests stayed in those nearly 6000 hotel rooms to bring the resort into the black because of the cost to construct and operate them.

# of Hotel Rooms on Opening Day
EuroDisney (1992)
5765 (7)
Hong Kong Disneyland (2006)
1000 (2)
Shanghai Disney Resort (2016)
1220 (2)

 

[Mike S]

Buzz.... that's another story. Not a nice one.

Really? It looks so good from the concept art.

 

[jt04]

Why did you stop posting for so long?

Busy with 74 building a new media empire.

 

[jt04]

Really? It looks so good from the concept art.

This.

I'm talking about opening day hotel capacity. EuroDisney's biggest problem wasn't that they spent too much money on the park. Rather that Eisner, and the Strat Planners who signed off on it, overbuilt the number of hotel rooms for opening day. The park was very successful from day one, but not enough guests stayed in those nearly 6000 hotel rooms to bring the resort into the black because of the cost to construct and operate them.

# of Hotel Rooms on Opening Day
EuroDisney (1992)
5765 (7)
Hong Kong Disneyland (2006)
1000 (2)
Shanghai Disney Resort (2016)
1220 (2)

They should have consulted with me. Excuse me now. Back to my theme park builder SIM.

 

[marni1971]

Bye.