Gringrinngghost
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Try telling that to their layoffs on record earnings...
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Goofyernmost
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All the fact that they are making more money then ever means is that that are more slobs tossing trash. What is the point of that? Should each person have their own personal CM walking with them picking up like they are their mothers? What else would that money provide other then more people. Isn't the place crowded enough already. Yes, reality is left at the door by people that make a statement like yours. Humanity is what is failing... but, lets blame others for our lack of caring.
Cesar R M
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THATS THE POINT
Goofyernmost
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I'm not there, but, I do know that people that spot a trash problem do not continue to stand there and wait for someone to clean it up. They see it, note it and keep moving. For all they know the person that was on their way to pick it up was right behind them. If for no other reason that is why I hate seeing those, posts about how Disney doesn't take care of things. What people witness is one moment in time, that trash didn't throw itself there, yet, the laziness of todays guests somehow have to be compensated by Disney putting more people on. Why? Don't we as guests have some responsibility there. Don't we all have the responsibility to be sure that we use the proper trash receptacles and not leave a mess for someone else to clean up? Can't we as guests that feel that their experience is less then perfect because of it, perhaps should bend over and pick it up ourselves. After all, we don't want to blame the slobs, so we should be part of the solution otherwise we are part of the problem.
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lazyboy97o
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We get it, you would rather blame everyone else but Disney. If there was any truth to your position then Disney's efforts at cleanliness never would have been noteworthy.
Defending the indefensible. Fact: custodial crews and maintenance crews have been cut to nearly skeleton size. There is a price that is paid for that. A cost savings as well. Anyone who denies this is just wrong. For the sake of conversation we might buy it when the parks are packed but what about when attendance is down? If these issues persist then its more then just slovenly guest. What most guest don't know is that there was a complete organizational change. Not only a philosophical change but a complete over haul in the way maintenance was executed. All most all non emergency maintenance is now contracted out or "outsourced" to non Disney companies. Only real time custodial duties are performed by CM's. Almost every attraction is cleaned and maintained at night by these outsourced companies. As time goes on Disney theme parks are operated more and more like any other theme park in the country. Its delusional to think that the parks are as maintained as they ever have been. DL is in much better shape, but that's because WDW is the perverbial theme park laboratory. What works and what works better. Case in point, FP+. As well as cast staffing and maintenance. Forget about what didn't work, Disney just moves the goal post around till they get the desired results. Inside the halls of Burbank everyone knows the emporer has no clothes but they seen what happened to those in front of them. They see all the dead bodies. There is a unspoken fear that hangs in the air. We think its bad now? When the next group of management comes in it will only get worse. You will need to cut the infection out before it will heal.
Filby61
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Crowd levels are higher. Profits are higher. And custodial staffing is lower. Hence the problem.
Goofyernmost
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The rest of us get it , you would rather blame Disney instead of the people that make the mess to begin with. Do you live with your mommy and does she still pick up after you. If not, she has failed you. It's her fault that your place is a mess, certainly not yours. Seriously, I know that Disney is supposed to be magical, but, aren't you expecting a little too much magic?
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ToTBellHop
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Let me get this straight--if I go to a 5-star hotel and my room was trashed by wealthy alcoholics the night before, I should be expected to deal with the trashed room even though I paid top dollar? Or should the premium price ensure a premium experience regardless of the level of (or lack of) class of the previous guest?
Are we honestly giving Disney a free pass on filthy bathrooms? I don't get it. Crowds are historically low this summer. I went in mid-May and never waited more than 20 minutes for anything and the restrooms were dirtier than the restrooms at MCO. I have never been so disgusted and I've gone yearly since 1989, including many a trip during extremely busy Presidents Weekend and I have never seen what I saw in May. My sister returned for the first time since 2011 and noted how filthy they were. Her husband had never been and noted it.
I expect restrooms to be clean most of the time. I understand people get sick in bathrooms and sometimes I might encounter the aftermath. But not to the level guests are now reporting. And after dealing with the filth, sinks are broken, soap dispensers empty and twisted up, no paper towel, no toilet paper. It's inexcusable. Soap dispensers, for example, should NEVER go empty (I'm talking every dispenser in a restroom, not one). It was also a pleasure bringing 3-foot tall potty training boys when every urinal had a mixture of hair and urine on it. It didn't used to be like this. Disney World isn't 7-Eleven.
lazyboy97o
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The people trashing the place is nothing new and such actions have only become more taboo in American culture.
ParentsOf4
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Hence the famous "Keep America Beautiful" ad campaign from the 1970s that helped to change attitudes:
WDW was always different though. WDW (and Disneyland) were sparkling clean when everyplace else was dirty.
This happened because Disney's senior management were devoted to Walt's obsession with cleanliness.
Today's senior management are more worried about "shareholder value" than cleanliness.
It's an absolute copout to blame the change on Guests.
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ToTBellHop
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Agree whole-heartedly. A percentage of humans have always been gross.Hence the famous "Keep America Beautiful" ad campaign from the 1970s that helped to change attitudes:
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WDW was always different though. WDW (and Disneyland) were sparkling clean when everyplace else was dirty.
This happened because Disney's senior management were devoted to Walt's obsession with cleanliness.
Today's senior management is more worried about "shareholder value" than cleanliness.
It's an absolute copout to blame the change on Guests.
Disney needs to be able to provide adequate staff to keep up with the nastiness. Somehow they managed to from 1955 to 2015. Now they've forgotten? Or it's "so much more crowded" even though report after report talks about how dead the parks are this year? We don't even have the mobs of 50 Brazilian teenagers this year as in years past, so it's not hoards of class-less teens puking in sinks and drinking all the soap. Curious to see what the Pixie Dusters' next excuse will be.
Planetary alignment?
Brexit?
Obamacare?
Linkin Park?
lazyboy97o
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whiterhino42
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I completely agree we went in April and the bathrooms were disgusting. I've never seen it like that before.
ToTBellHop
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I would hope that some of the defenders here just haven't been recently. I went in January of 2016 and had no major issues. By May, disgusting. Such a dramatic decline.
Goofyernmost
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If somehow you think checking into a five star hotel and walking through a theme park with thousands of people is the same thing, then having a conversation would be a total waste of my time. Not to mention that for good reason that has never happened. I have heard approximately two complaints on how the bathrooms look, and numerous on how they were in good shape. If you insist on reacting to the occasional happening instead of the norm, again no reason to have this discussion. I think that the last sentence is a total fabrication. If there were to be urine in the urinals (gosh, how tragic) then it was because the slobs before you didn't bother to flush them. It didn't jump in there all by itself. I even doubt that all the soap dispensers were empty seeing as we are constantly hearing about how no one washes their hands anymore.
Goofyernmost
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Seriously? I didn't think that you were old, but, I also didn't think that you were that young either. Trashing is become more taboo? I guess a large portion of society didn't get that memo. Maybe it is becoming more taboo because it is happening more often.
Matt_Black
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Maybe they're not slobs but environmentally conscious? We all must do our part to help Mother Earth; that's why I hold it until I take a shower.
lazyboy97o
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You're just lying, falling into the old fallacy of people today behave worse. Things such as prevalence of littering are actually studied and measured.