Cuts coming to every area of parks and resorts - thanks to Shanghai and Paris

[Goofyernmost]

You can't figure out what kind of people would be interested in littering and yet you lecture us all about it? Have you never heard of environmental studies, environment protection, social justice, urban planning and design, landscape architecture, parks and recreation, wildlife management, transportation...

So you don't have a solid answer, right? Environmental studies, protection, etc, etc,. all happened recently, they have no past accurate idea what happened 30 years ago, much less 70 years ago. I lived most of it and I see the difference. You can read second hand reports until your eyes fall out, all you get are words put there by people that think they know what they are talking about or have an agenda to make the current generations look pristine. I know what I saw and in some areas they were as bad if not worse due to the lack of environmental awareness, however, socially it was a different story. People were less inclined to mess up a nice place, because of their own history and how hard it was to have something nice. No, they didn't know what to do with the enormous waste that they found themselves generating, but, that was because no one thought of it as an issue. It certainly is an issue now and we are talking about WDW not the general country wide problem with improper disposal. It's easy to combine different circumstances and make it look like it is all one unit. It was not.

 

[Goofyernmost]

So I expect you bring a toothbrush to clean up other people's crap and urine in public restrooms, then.

And where shall I place littered paper products? The trash cans are overflowing.

I think that pixie dust you guys are smoking has been tainted.

You really need to learn how to discuss stuff and not throw in foolish examples of the obvious. I know people hate to have this said, because to them it isn't acceptable, but, if it is a situation that is that terrible, if I were you, I would stop going there. Seems like a terrible place to spend your time.

 

[space42]

The problem I have is that they are claiming that the resort is a pig sty, and that simply isn't my experience. We were there just a few months ago, and at no time did we see any overflowing trash cans or filthy bathrooms. There was soap in the dispensers, and paper towels galore.

People snapping a picture of an overflowing trash can right after a parade or Wishes is being disingenuous. The CMs need the crowds to disperse some before they can get to them to empty them. A big safety issue as well. People stating that they see the same trash can overflowing for several hours, well, sorry, but I simply believe that those people have an agenda, and will say anything, including half-truths to make their point.

The owner of this website started this thread. I'm sure he is part of this agenda you speak of.

May people have reported the obvious signs of cutbacks.
Pictures along with first hand reports are shared.
People still defend Disney or say they don't believe it.
That is the only unbelievable part.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

The owner of this website started this thread. I'm sure he is part of this agenda you speak of.

May people have reported the obvious signs of cutbacks.
Pictures along with first hand reports are shared.
People still defend Disney or say they don't believe it.
That is the only unbelievable part.

I can only believe what I see with my eyes, and not someone elses. We did not see any of the overflowing trash cans or trashed bathrooms when we were there.

Again, snapping a picture of an overflowing trash can means absolutely nothing depending on the circumstances. If it was right after a parade or fireworks, then it is entirely possible that it is overflowing. The CMs need crowds to disperse before safely removing the trash. Would you prefer that they rush up to the trash can and rudely push guests out of the way to empty it because it might offend someone's sensibilities?? Did anyone reporting these things wait around to see if it was cleaned up, and how long it took? Did they notify a CM right away? None that I have read have done this. They snapped a pic, walked away, and have no idea how long it took to fix. It may have been 5 minutes later, but they conveniently leave this part out, because they don't know how long it took.

You know as well as I do that many people here have an agenda when it comes to WDW, and are willing to say or post anything to further it. Most "reports" of cutbacks have centered on the trash and bathrooms. We saw no evidence of this just a few months ago. I am NOT saying that cutbacks have not occurred. Just that we saw no evidence that it is greatly affecting the guest experience. It certainly didn't affect ours at all.

 

[ford91exploder]

The owner of this website started this thread. I'm sure he is part of this agenda you speak of.

May people have reported the obvious signs of cutbacks.
Pictures along with first hand reports are shared.
People still defend Disney or say they don't believe it.
That is the only unbelievable part.

To many Disney can do no wrong, You could have a team of people simultaneously photograph all the overflowing trashcans with timestamps on the pix and those same people would insist that those pictures were an aberration. For some Disney is on par with a religion and not simply a much loved place to check out from reality for a while.

 

[Phantom Mickey]

As usual, YOU are leaving reality at the gate. They're making more money than ever and still failing.

Acutally, I think he is pretty close to the mark.


.. But his post is right on though he was being KIND I think and was only commenting on specific shortcomings. There are far more concerns after you strip the magic feelings away.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So you don't have a solid answer, right? Environmental studies, protection, etc, etc,. all happened recently, they have no past accurate idea what happened 30 years ago, much less 70 years ago. I lived most of it and I see the difference. You can read second hand reports until your eyes fall out, all you get are words put there by people that think they know what they are talking about or have an agenda to make the current generations look pristine. I know what I saw and in some areas they were as bad if not worse due to the lack of environmental awareness, however, socially it was a different story. People were less inclined to mess up a nice place, because of their own history and how hard it was to have something nice. No, they didn't know what to do with the enormous waste that they found themselves generating, but, that was because no one thought of it as an issue. It certainly is an issue now and we are talking about WDW not the general country wide problem with improper disposal. It's easy to combine different circumstances and make it look like it is all one unit. It was not.

"Don't mess with Texas" was 30 years ago. Was that all just a big lie?

 

[Phantom Mickey]

This is just not fair. Why are they punishing the parks that are doing well? Let's just hope Shanghai is a success...

They better not cancel new projects like in 2008.

((( This is just not fair. Why are they punishing the parks that are doing well? Let's just hope Shanghai is a success... ))))

Its more like it is a hit on the guests.

Its just normal business and WDW is their CASH COW. Huge money flow from the park to projects.
Ticket Prices will continue to raise as long as GUESTS are willing to pay the high price. Lowering Cast member numbers saves money as well. Watch for early park closings as well. But why DIZ has not kept up on maintenance and refreshing some attractions is a real wonder.

Project cancellation depends on current events. DIZ is really vulnerable to current events because it seems to reflect if GUESTS will come to the parks or not.

 

[Phantom Mickey]

Bring back Save Disney.

You remember that do you? Ah HAaa !

 

[EngineJoe]

By whom?

Top Men . . .

 

[Cesar R M]

So you think the slaves that work at WDW should be the only ones picking it up?

So, what is custodial paid for? draw in the floor with water?
I dont even know if you guys are reading your own comments, its so illogical its facepalm inducing.

 

[Cesar R M]

I was asking why he wouldn't pick up a piece of paper that he saw lying on the ground and throw it away

We are not talking about "a piece of paper".
We're talking about direct garbage and urine, feces and tainted stuff on bathrooms.

The problem I have is that they are claiming that the resort is a pig sty, and that simply isn't my experience. We were there just a few months ago, and at no time did we see any overflowing trash cans or filthy bathrooms. There was soap in the dispensers, and paper towels galore.

People snapping a picture of an overflowing trash can right after a parade or Wishes is being disingenuous. The CMs need the crowds to disperse some before they can get to them to empty them. A big safety issue as well. People stating that they see the same trash can overflowing for several hours, well, sorry, but I simply believe that those people have an agenda, and will say anything, including half-truths to make their point.

You know, I always find this kind of attitude funny..
"it never happened to me, therefore everyone who did has an agenda or lying".

So.. after going after random people and demanding them to clean other people's messes (which is custodial and cleaning stuff job.. you know.. the job they get paid for...).
Now you're blaming the messengers who took evidence of such filth.

aren't you precious?

 

[sparky03]

I thought one of the fundamental reasons Walt decided to build his own theme park was the lack of care and cleanliness in amusement parks of that era? Does this mean that people in the 1950s were slobs too?

Haven't cleanliness and maintenance always been two of the basic ideas that set Disney parks apart?

 

[ToTBellHop]

I thought one of the fundamental reasons Walt decided to build his own theme park was the lack of care and cleanliness in amusement parks of that era? Does this mean that people in the 1950s were slobs too?

Haven't cleanliness and maintenance always been two of the basic ideas that set Disney parks apart?

Definitely used to be.

 

[ford91exploder]

I thought one of the fundamental reasons Walt decided to build his own theme park was the lack of care and cleanliness in amusement parks of that era? Does this mean that people in the 1950s were slobs too?

Haven't cleanliness and maintenance always been two of the basic ideas that set Disney parks apart?

Yes but Iger and the Igerbots don't care as long as the bonus checks are big, And when it all crashes they will float off on their golden parachutes.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

We are not talking about "a piece of paper".
We're talking about direct garbage and urine, feces and tainted stuff on bathrooms.

So if you had read my post, you would have seen that I was only speaking of paper products, not anything wet or nasty, as I stated.

You know, I always find this kind of attitude funny..
"it never happened to me, therefore everyone who did has an agenda or lying".

So.. after going after random people and demanding them to clean other people's messes (which is custodial and cleaning stuff job.. you know.. the job they get paid for...).
Now you're blaming the messengers who took evidence of such filth.

aren't you precious?

Actually, I find your attitude funny. I NEVER said that other people had not seen anything or experienced anything different, and you know darn well that many people here have an agenda. You bash me because I simply talked about my experience being different than other people. Gee, thanks.

It seems that unless I have a miserable time on vacation with many issues and problems, I can't post about it here, right?

I guess we were brought up differently, as I was taught to pick up after myself. That carries over to wherever we are. If we see a piece of paper on the ground, we will pick it up to throw away. I see no reason not to help out the obviously overworked custodial staff. Yes, it is their job, but that doesn't mean you walk past a piece of paper on the ground because that action is beneath you, or is someone's else's job. I don't demand that you help, as it is obviously beneath your station in life. Others have a different attitude towards people.

 

[DisAl]

Maybe the real jerks are the ones who are not properly potty trained and make the mess in the first place.

 

[willtravel]

We are not talking about "a piece of paper".
We're talking about direct garbage and urine, feces and tainted stuff on bathrooms.


Don't you have to blame the person using the restroom who did this, the problem??? Maybe if people were more considerate of others peoples property..........

 

[ToTBellHop]

Maybe the real jerks are the ones who are not properly potty trained and make the mess in the first place.

They aren't going anywhere, are they? Our species has always had nasty members and always will. The rest of us can continue to clean up after them or live in their feces. There's no other viable solution here in the real world outside of your idyllic society where we can train the masses to be better.

No one is arguing that gross people aren't gross. They obviously are. The argument is that Disney should continue to clean up any messes that develop as they have for 45 years in Florida. We expect the same of most public facilities, but especially ones we pay to enter.

 

[Matt_Black]

I here a lot of grumbling here, and nothing else. If you don't like it, do something about it! Call Guest Services! Start a grass roots campaign to get some mainstream public spotlight on this! Buy stock and become a shareholder, so that you have some measure of influence! Note- I'm not sure how feasible that last one is, but my point stands.