Cesar R M
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yo marni, rolling at what?
theres too much to roll.
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theres too much to roll.
Phantom Mickey
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I know, whats even stranger, I think I had heard of this one before.
Maybe, but there's a CM's dust pan right in the middle of it of the pile, and it looked to be full and overflowing.
Goofyernmost
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Perhaps went to get something to put it in or 6 million other legitimate reasons why it was still there when you got to it.
peter11435
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It's a very odd scenario. My guess would be that a custodial cast member with a pan and broom was removing a bag of trash and the bag broke. Then they left their pan and broom while they carried the rest of the bag backstage and got supples to clean up the rest. Just speculation on my part.
Goofyernmost
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Stop... a reasonable thought is just not allowed. It is because Disney has gone to hell in a handbasket. Otherwise, why would someone go to all the effort to post a picture? What was the purpose? What possible response was someone looking for? I would have thought the same thing as you, stepped around it and never have thought about it again for the rest of my life. But that's me!
Cesar R M
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definitively disney is to blame.. cost cutting the bag and thus cheap bags used means bags ripping apart
Goofyernmost
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Whew.... oh, good... I'm glad we get that straightened out. I was starting to think things were ok there for a minute.definitively disney is to blame.. cost cutting the bag and thus cheap bags used means bags ripping apart
Possibly, but we weren't anywhere near a trash can, nor was there a busted trash liner next to the mess.
(This next part isn't a response to you, just a general response to the thread)
I'm not saying Disney is about to be boarded up and sold for parts, but a lot of this thread at the beginning was filled with pictures of overflowing trash cans, speculating that the cuts were affecting custodial staffing.
This amount of trash doesn't just accumulate over the course of a minute or two, and we had stood by that area for a good few 5 minutes or so. All I'm saying is between this, the unusually gross bathrooms, and the numerous overflowing trash cans...these are things that weren't always tolerated on such an obvious level at Disney. But this does seem to show the custodial budget/staffing has indeed been reduced.
peter11435
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Proximity to a trash can is irrelevant because there are trash cans in the queue and they would need to carry the bag out of the queue. It could have broke (again just speculation) while they were walking through the queue.
Brad Bishop
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I think it's kind of interesting that fans of WDW, and Disney in general, come here to say, "Something's wrong - this isn't how it used to be..," and other fans (no less fans, mind you) protest this with, essentially, "you're making it up - everything is magical!," or they give excuses like, "Disney is busy. Lots of guests. etc.," as if WDW didn't figure out how to deal with crowds decades back.
I think a thing to consider is that the former Disney fans are generally pretty forgiving and understand the difference between isolated incident and overall problem.
It's almost like telling a married man, "Hey, you may want to pay attention to that guy your wife is always hanging out with...," and getting back, "Oh, they're just friends."
I think a thing to consider is that the former Disney fans are generally pretty forgiving and understand the difference between isolated incident and overall problem.
It's almost like telling a married man, "Hey, you may want to pay attention to that guy your wife is always hanging out with...," and getting back, "Oh, they're just friends."
True, but it still makes no sense to leave a full pan on the ground like that. Why wouldn't they take it with them just to get a new trash bag?
I dunno. I'm not trying to turn this into CSI: Disney, Trash Bag Edition. I just see far more trash on the ground and more overflowing cans than ever.
peter11435
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Maybe they were using both hands to carry what was left of the bag and keep more trash from falling out.
rob0519
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People have become entitled pigs, throwing or dropping trash anywhere. Last April we boarded Peter Pan's Flight and I looked over the side against the wall and there was a trail of litter from one end to the next between the vehicles and the wall. It was something I'd never seen or at least noticed in almost 30 visits.
Matt_Black
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You realize that crowd levels now are MUCH higher than they were decades ago?
Brad Bishop
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I really don't think that's a valid excuse. The crowd levels a decade back were greater than 2 decades back. The crowd levels 2 decades back were greater than 3 decades back. Does that mean that you'd accept even worse conditions a decade from now, along with increased prices, of course, with regards to the trash, bathrooms, monorails, etc. just because the crowd levels are higher?
Up until recently Disney's claim to fame was: We're a premium product and charge premium prices and you'll have a premium experience. That was true for a good long time. I think they're slipping and others are, too. These are long-time Disney fans and "slipping" is being generous to Disney.
I guess my question would be: At what price point do you hold them accountable or do keep making excuses about crowds and guests and whatnot? If the MK was $500 for one day, would trash everywhere be OK because crowds / people are slobs?
It's like the deal with the filthy / ill-maintained monorails and the excuse, again, of "crowds!". Disney can fix that. They can build more bays, buy more trains to give them more downtime and pay for more maintenance.
Look at something they're really good at: Parking cars. You pay your toll, park your car, and there's a tram waiting to whisk you away and usually another one right behind it. It's very quick and efficient. They handle the crowds. The parking lot is generally very clean. The trams are generally very clean. What if it took you 45min to get from the toll booth to where the trams dropped you off and you had to wade through trash, deal with a dingy tram, etc.? Would that be OK because they're busy?
Is it OK to eat at a restaurant on property, pay the premium, and have a poorly prepared, bland meal because they're busy? "Honey, my salmon was soggy.. kind of gross..." "Don't worry about it, hon, I don't care if it was $75/head - they're busy!"
I know everyone's threshold on this stuff is different but there are a lot of people saying, myself included, that Disney isn't the same quality experience that it used to be.
I'm not knocking you personally on this but the whole notion that "they're busy" is a valid excuse at a company that deals with busy on a daily basis and has for decades. Over the last year their answer to "we're really busy" has been to cut staff/services/hours.
Goofyernmost
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What a swell way to miss the point completely by using totally irrelevant examples. The larger crowds are indeed the reason that it is harder to maintain the situation the way we like it. If you are paying that much money just to see if trash is picked up immediately after a slob drops it, or to hold a stop watch determining just how long it took for that clean up to happen, I think you're going for the wrong reasons. Do you really think that those old Monorail trains with millions of miles on them would even move out of the barns if they weren't being maintained. Seriously, just because there is a Fantasyland there doesn't mean that we should leaved common sense and reality at the gate.
Cesar R M
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Cesar R M
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Which means they should be hiring more cleaning guys not cutting down.
MonkeyHead
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As usual, YOU are leaving reality at the gate. They're making more money than ever and still failing.