Cuts coming to every area of parks and resorts - thanks to Shanghai and Paris

[MonkeyHead]

Guys, remember Disney is perfect and a all the layoffs and hour cutting in a time of record profit is our fault.

 

[Brad Bishop]

I remember back when Six Flags was having problems around 2000. The parks were trashed (cans literally overflowing and dumping on the ground), poor maintenance, and the employees were rude and not very attentive. The core problems?

- They were busy.
- People were slobs.

Thankfully they've pulled out of that. It took them about a decade to make the parks nice - I mean get the crowds down to a manageable level along with getting a better pedigree of guests.

You can derive from this:
- They are now not busy.
- Their 2016 guest is far more tidy than their 2000 guest.

There were absolutely no managerial or executive issues at all that anyone, at the time, needed to be concerned about. It was simply too many sloppy guests.

Disney maybe could take a lesson from Six Flags on how to get fewer, but more tidy, visitors.

 

[Goofyernmost]

You're just lying, falling into the old fallacy of people today behave worse. Things such as prevalence of littering are actually studied and measured.

By whom?

 

[Cesar R M]

perhaps should bend over and pick it up ourselves

hang on.. on top of paying record attendance fees, the additional costs of everything. Now you are suggesting WE SHOULD pick up trash left by others?
are you insane?

 

[LuvtheGoof]

hang on.. on top of paying record attendance fees, the additional costs of everything. Now you are suggesting WE SHOULD pick up trash left by others?
are you insane?

So you think the slaves that work at WDW should be the only ones picking it up? Is it to beneath you to pick up a piece of paper that someone else dropped? I completely understand for something wet or nasty, but not for paper. We pick it up all the time if we see it, and not just at WDW, but everywhere we go. Don't you?

 

[Goofyernmost]

hang on.. on top of paying record attendance fees, the additional costs of everything. Now you are suggesting WE SHOULD pick up trash left by others?
are you insane?

No, if you really are that concerned about trash laying about, then be proactive. Otherwise all you want to do is complain and don't really care about what it looks like! Should you have too? I suppose in a perfect world the answer would be no, but, this ain't a perfect world so we can help to make it better or we can just complain about how awful it is. Our choice! Myself, more then once I have picked up a mess left by others. Why? Because it bothered me and I wanted to help to make it what I felt was right.

 

[lazyboy97o]

By whom?

You can't figure out what kind of people would be interested in littering and yet you lecture us all about it? Have you never heard of environmental studies, environment protection, social justice, urban planning and design, landscape architecture, parks and recreation, wildlife management, transportation...

 

[ToTBellHop]

No, if you really are that concerned about trash laying about, then be proactive. Otherwise all you want to do is complain and don't really care about what it looks like! Should you have too? I suppose in a perfect world the answer would be no, but, this ain't a perfect world so we can help to make it better or we can just complain about how awful it is. Our choice! Myself, more then once I have picked up a mess left by others. Why? Because it bothered me and I wanted to help to make it what I felt was right.

So I expect you bring a toothbrush to clean up other people's crap and urine in public restrooms, then.

And where shall I place littered paper products? The trash cans are overflowing.

I think that pixie dust you guys are smoking has been tainted.

 

[asianway]

Hence the famous "Keep America Beautiful" ad campaign from the 1970s that helped to change attitudes:

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WDW was always different though. WDW (and Disneyland) were sparkling clean when everyplace else was dirty.

This happened because Disney's senior management were devoted to Walt's obsession with cleanliness.

Today's senior management are more worried about "shareholder value" than cleanliness.

It's an absolute copout to blame the change on Guests.

Those were the good old days where you could just toss a full size garbage bag right out your car window

 

[ford91exploder]

I expect restrooms to be clean most of the time. I understand people get sick in bathrooms and sometimes I might encounter the aftermath. But not to the level guests are now reporting. And after dealing with the filth, sinks are broken, soap dispensers empty and twisted up, no paper towel, no toilet paper. It's inexcusable. Soap dispensers, for example, should NEVER go empty (I'm talking every dispenser in a restroom, not one). It was also a pleasure bringing 3-foot tall potty training boys when every urinal had a mixture of hair and urine on it. It didn't used to be like this. Disney World isn't 7-Eleven.

No your average 7-Eleven is cleaner than WDW these days.

 

[ford91exploder]

Those were the good old days where you could just toss a full size garbage bag right out your car window

Shame on you @asianway, Iron Eyes Cody is even now cursing you.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Those were the good old days where you could just toss a full size garbage bag right out your car window

Now the only thing you can throw out your window is a mattress. Or a loveseat. Or a highchair. Or a McDonald's bag.

 

[ford91exploder]

Hence the famous "Keep America Beautiful" ad campaign from the 1970s that helped to change attitudes:

View attachment 149560

WDW was always different though. WDW (and Disneyland) were sparkling clean when everyplace else was dirty.

This happened because Disney's senior management were devoted to Walt's obsession with cleanliness.

Today's senior management are more worried about "shareholder value" than cleanliness.

It's an absolute copout to blame the change on Guests.

^^^ THIS ^^^

 

[flynnibus]

Only you can prevent forest fires.... And thread train wrecks like these last pages.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Only you can prevent forest fires.... And thread train wrecks like these last pages.

Best buy the $11 popcorn bucket to watch it unfold. A small won't cut it.

 

[asianway]

Only you can prevent forest fires.... And thread train wrecks like these last pages.

I think parentsof4 brought up an excellent point though that people were always slobs, especially in the 70s

 

[FigmentForver96]

So you think the slaves that work at WDW should be the only ones picking it up? Is it to beneath you to pick up a piece of paper that someone else dropped? I completely understand for something wet or nasty, but not for paper. We pick it up all the time if we see it, and not just at WDW, but everywhere we go. Don't you?

Nobody called them slaves, like come on quit being so childish and dramatic. But to be fair they are being paid to clean the parks. I'm not saying people need to be slobs or anything but it's not my job to play clean up behind others.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Nobody called them slaves, like come on quit being so childish and dramatic. But to be fair they are being paid to clean the parks. I'm not saying people need to be slobs or anything but it's not my job to play clean up behind others.

I wasn't asking anyone to totally clean up the parks. I was asking why he wouldn't pick up a piece of paper that he saw lying on the ground and throw it away. It seemed that he thought it was beneath him to do such a menial task. Guess it is for you as well.

We never leave a mess at a table in a restaurant. We wipe it off ourselves. We clean up dripped soap in the bathrooms if we see it. And we don't do this just at WDW, but everywhere we go. Guess we are weird that way.

 

[SorcererMC]

We never leave a mess at a table in a restaurant. We wipe it off ourselves. We clean up dripped soap in the bathrooms if we see it. And we don't do this just at WDW, but everywhere we go. Guess we are weird that way.

Cleaning up after yourself? You must be 'old school'...that is how I was raised as well. Seems not to be the case today.

Nevertheless, if the state of the cleanliness of the parks/bathrooms from this thread is any indication, Disney would be smart to amend their current practices - whatever they are, they're not working. It's shameful.

Edit: At least, I think it's shameful. My grandmother was a CM for a few years in the 1980s after she retired, keeping it clean, so I'm biased here.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Cleaning up after yourself? You must be 'old school'...that is how I was raised as well. Seems not to be the case today.

Nevertheless, if the state of the cleanliness of the parks/bathrooms from this thread is any indication, Disney would be smart to amend their current practices - whatever they are, they're not working. It's shameful.

Edit: At least, I think it's shameful. My grandmother was a CM for a few years in the 1980s after she retired, keeping it clean, so I'm biased here.

The problem I have is that they are claiming that the resort is a pig sty, and that simply isn't my experience. We were there just a few months ago, and at no time did we see any overflowing trash cans or filthy bathrooms. There was soap in the dispensers, and paper towels galore.

People snapping a picture of an overflowing trash can right after a parade or Wishes is being disingenuous. The CMs need the crowds to disperse some before they can get to them to empty them. A big safety issue as well. People stating that they see the same trash can overflowing for several hours, well, sorry, but I simply believe that those people have an agenda, and will say anything, including half-truths to make their point.