Creepy New Survey Question....

[lazyboy97o]

Except that Disney would be a idiots to tell others what their customers are buying. Friendly competition is one thing, but, telling your competition what your customers buy would be insane. As far as I can tell Disney does a huge amount of mining, but, it is for their own benefit, not to benefit others in the same business. I have never seen anything, not generated by Disney, show up online that could even be remotely connected to them selling information only using the information they accumulated. Facebook, on the other hand has picked up on everything I have ever said. Last year I mentioned to friends on Facebook that I had been diagnosed with Prostate Cancer. Want to guess what shows up on my computer every day. If you guessed, Prostate treatments, one after the other, congratulations. Course that could be age too, but, I was old before last summer and never saw those ads.

I never said anything about Disney selling information, much less to their direct competition. Even then, there probably would be potential customers for the data who are not Disney's competitors.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Well someone just made the ignore list.

Disappear! Disappear! Back, back, over the falls!

I'm sure she couldn't give two craps about being on your much talked about (by yourself) ignore list. Either realize this is the world we live in or, as said, "Go away".

 

[xdan0920]

Simpson's did it...

 

[wdisney9000]

Dear US Government,
You have my permission to listen to all of my phone calls, read all of my emails, collect as much data about me as you want, etc. Why am I freely giving you this permission? Because I'm not trying to hide anything! If you want to be stupid and waste your time watching me then you are not doing your jobs.

The problem is that you may have something to hide, but you just dont know it. There are over 27,000 pages of laws encompassing what are considered federal crimes. They technically cant even count how many laws there are. Many of these laws are very obscure and you wouldnt even know if you violated one of them, which we all probly have. When all of your info is collected and monitored then it basically gives them the power to punish anyone they like, whenever they choose. Punishment becomes selective.

For instance, the police now have scanners that can scan parking lots looking for expired tags and/or uninsured vehicles. It routinely happens that the scanners or computer system gives back incorrect information due to inaccurate data being collected and entered into the system and people have been arrested and detained for crimes they never committed when the computer system tells the officer that they are wanted for a crime (even though they did not commit one). Another example is the story of the wife who searched online for a pressure cooker and an hour later her husband searched for a backpack. Some computer system alerted law enforcement that they were possible terrorists due to the combination of the two internet searches and within hours they had their front door kicked in and home raided and in this day and age you are guilty until proven innocent if the computer deems you a threat. Their home was torn apart as they looked for anything to link the family to a crime. It is the type of scenario that people like you will say is no big deal....until it happens to you. Then your left asking how it was possible that you were assumed to be a criminal. Its because you gave up your freedoms for the sake of feeling safe or for the simple fact that you did not care because you felt you had nothing to hide.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I never said anything about Disney selling information, much less to their direct competition. Even then, there probably would be potential customers for the data who are not Disney's competitors.

Who? And why?

 

[Matt_Black]

Who? And why?

Well, various Disney sponsors and business partners. If a particular item produced by them is selling well, I don't see why Disney wouldn't pass on that information.

 

[G00fyDad]

The problem is that you may have something to hide, but you just dont know it. There are over 27,000 pages of laws encompassing what are considered federal crimes. They technically cant even count how many laws there are. Many of these laws are very obscure and you wouldnt even know if you violated one of them, which we all probly have. When all of your info is collected and monitored then it basically gives them the power to punish anyone they like, whenever they choose. Punishment becomes selective.

For instance, the police now have scanners that can scan parking lots looking for expired tags and/or uninsured vehicles. It routinely happens that the scanners or computer system gives back incorrect information due to inaccurate data being collected and entered into the system and people have been arrested and detained for crimes they never committed when the computer system tells the officer that they are wanted for a crime (even though they did not commit one). Another example is the story of the wife who searched online for a pressure cooker and an hour later her husband searched for a backpack. Some computer system alerted law enforcement that they were possible terrorists due to the combination of the two internet searches and within hours they had their front door kicked in and home raided and in this day and age you are guilty until proven innocent if the computer deems you a threat. Their home was torn apart as they looked for anything to link the family to a crime. It is the type of scenario that people like you will say is no big deal....until it happens to you. Then your left asking how it was possible that you were assumed to be a criminal. Its because you gave up your freedoms for the sake of feeling safe or for the simple fact that you did not care because you felt you had nothing to hide.

The government can still check on me all they want. We cannot be a society that expects to have their cake and eat it too. This is not the 1700's. No one then could have ever imagined the world we live in today or our legal, judicial, and executive systems would be setup differently. You cannot demand safety from domestic and foreign terrorism AND expect complete secrecy in your daily life. Yes, you may be an upstanding citizen of this country, but the government doesn't know you. Your arrest record (if you even have one) does not paint your full threat level picture of you. How on earth can you possibly expect total privacy and safety at the same time? Maybe, just MAYBE if they had pried into Timothy McVeigh a little harder they might have known he was going to do what he did in Oklahoma. Now, you go to one of the families that lost someone to that American and you tell them that you still expect your privacy.

 

[G00fyDad]

I swear I can almost hear the collective slamming of faraday cage doors.

 

[ford91exploder]

The problem is that you may have something to hide, but you just dont know it. There are over 27,000 pages of laws encompassing what are considered federal crimes. They technically cant even count how many laws there are. Many of these laws are very obscure and you wouldnt even know if you violated one of them, which we all probly have. When all of your info is collected and monitored then it basically gives them the power to punish anyone they like, whenever they choose. Punishment becomes selective.

For instance, the police now have scanners that can scan parking lots looking for expired tags and/or uninsured vehicles. It routinely happens that the scanners or computer system gives back incorrect information due to inaccurate data being collected and entered into the system and people have been arrested and detained for crimes they never committed when the computer system tells the officer that they are wanted for a crime (even though they did not commit one). Another example is the story of the wife who searched online for a pressure cooker and an hour later her husband searched for a backpack. Some computer system alerted law enforcement that they were possible terrorists due to the combination of the two internet searches and within hours they had their front door kicked in and home raided and in this day and age you are guilty until proven innocent if the computer deems you a threat. Their home was torn apart as they looked for anything to link the family to a crime. It is the type of scenario that people like you will say is no big deal....until it happens to you. Then your left asking how it was possible that you were assumed to be a criminal. Its because you gave up your freedoms for the sake of feeling safe or for the simple fact that you did not care because you felt you had nothing to hide.

^^^ THIS ^^^ That Internet search scenario has been played out thousands of times different items but same results.

Interested in Science and live in Texas well you need a permit to possess scientific glassware ceramicware or metalware

Yet all these erosions of basic freedoms in the US have not caught a single 'Terrist. And the terrorists who did crap usually their neighbors knew there was something wrong but said nothing because they did not want to appear racist or bigoted...

Yet ordinary people keep getting caught up in the routine automated dragnets

Food for thought

 

[ford91exploder]

The government can still check on me all they want. We cannot be a society that expects to have their cake and eat it too. This is not the 1700's. No one then could have ever imagined the world we live in today or our legal, judicial, and executive systems would be setup differently. You cannot demand safety from domestic and foreign terrorism AND expect complete secrecy in your daily life. Yes, you may be an upstanding citizen of this country, but the government doesn't know you. Your arrest record (if you even have one) does not paint your full threat level picture of you. How on earth can you possibly expect total privacy and safety at the same time? Maybe, just MAYBE if they had pried into Timothy McVeigh a little harder they might have known he was going to do what he did in Oklahoma. Now, you go to one of the families that lost someone to that American and you tell them that you still expect your privacy.

Be a good little slave and may your chains and fetters weigh not heavily on you and hope you never find yourself the target of an 'investigation' as your life will be ruined because of some paranoid fool in DC

 

[wdisney9000]

The government can still check on me all they want. We cannot be a society that expects to have their cake and eat it too. This is not the 1700's. No one then could have ever imagined the world we live in today or our legal, judicial, and executive systems would be setup differently. You cannot demand safety from domestic and foreign terrorism AND expect complete secrecy in your daily life. Yes, you may be an upstanding citizen of this country, but the government doesn't know you. Your arrest record (if you even have one) does not paint your full threat level picture of you. How on earth can you possibly expect total privacy and safety at the same time? Maybe, just MAYBE if they had pried into Timothy McVeigh a little harder they might have known he was going to do what he did in Oklahoma. Now, you go to one of the families that lost someone to that American and you tell them that you still expect your privacy.

Those people from the 1700s lived under more oppression than you or I will ever know and were more educated on the dangers of over reach and the corruption that comes with it. They drafted laws and guidelines that were timeless and basic to all human rights. Evil does not care what kind of technology is available or what century it is.

But what good has your beloved Orwellian system accomplished? Why are we in more danger than ever before? Why are terrorist groups growing larger and becoming more powerful? More terror than ever. What good has it done for us besides making air travel a complete hassle? And would it be any different to visit a family who lost a loved one in any one of the terrorist attacks at army bases, schools, shopping malls on American soil since they drafted all these big brother laws? The sad truth is that they want us to be terrified. They want us to tell on each other if we slightly suspect our neighbor might be up to no good because he bought a lot of fertilizer. Rather than embrace each other and our communities, they want us divided and scared so people (like yourself) will beg them to take away any and every right we have... as long as you "feel" safe.

And you fall hook, line and sinker for their B.S. when you regurgitate their propoganda of labeling anyone who disagrees a conspiracy theorist. Its not a conspiracy if its true.

 

[thehowiet]

Those people from the 1700s lived under more oppression than you or I will ever know and were more educated on the dangers of over reach and the corruption that comes with it. They drafted laws and guidelines that were timeless and basic to all human rights. Evil does not care what kind of technology is available or what century it is.

But what good has your beloved Orwellian system accomplished? Why are we in more danger than ever before? Why are terrorist groups growing larger and becoming more powerful? More terror than ever. What good has it done for us besides making air travel a complete hassle? And would it be any different to visit a family who lost a loved one in any one of the terrorist attacks at army bases, schools, shopping malls on American soil since they drafted all these big brother laws? The sad truth is that they want us to be terrified. They want us to tell on each other if we slightly suspect our neighbor might be up to no good because he bought a lot of fertilizer. Rather than embrace each other and our communities, they want us divided and scared so people (like yourself) will beg them to take away any and every right we have... as long as you "feel" safe.

And you fall hook, line and sinker for their B.S. when you regurgitate their propoganda of labeling anyone who disagrees a conspiracy theorist. Its not a conspiracy if its true.

Great points, but it is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The problem is that you may have something to hide, but you just dont know it. There are over 27,000 pages of laws encompassing what are considered federal crimes. They technically cant even count how many laws there are. Many of these laws are very obscure and you wouldnt even know if you violated one of them, which we all probly have. When all of your info is collected and monitored then it basically gives them the power to punish anyone they like, whenever they choose. Punishment becomes selective.

For instance, the police now have scanners that can scan parking lots looking for expired tags and/or uninsured vehicles. It routinely happens that the scanners or computer system gives back incorrect information due to inaccurate data being collected and entered into the system and people have been arrested and detained for crimes they never committed when the computer system tells the officer that they are wanted for a crime (even though they did not commit one). Another example is the story of the wife who searched online for a pressure cooker and an hour later her husband searched for a backpack. Some computer system alerted law enforcement that they were possible terrorists due to the combination of the two internet searches and within hours they had their front door kicked in and home raided and in this day and age you are guilty until proven innocent if the computer deems you a threat. Their home was torn apart as they looked for anything to link the family to a crime. It is the type of scenario that people like you will say is no big deal....until it happens to you. Then your left asking how it was possible that you were assumed to be a criminal. Its because you gave up your freedoms for the sake of feeling safe or for the simple fact that you did not care because you felt you had nothing to hide.

And this is really the biggest issue. It's not someone deliberately going after someone but an algorithm flagging behavior as suspicious which is compounded by more and more suspicious behavior itself being criminalized. And of course there is little recourse to demonstrate innocence since it is impossible to prove a negative.

Who? And why?

Target would be one. They are a big merchandise partner with Disney. Credit agencies might be another. They keep adding more and more data metrics to their scoring.

The government can still check on me all they want. We cannot be a society that expects to have their cake and eat it too. This is not the 1700's. No one then could have ever imagined the world we live in today or our legal, judicial, and executive systems would be setup differently. You cannot demand safety from domestic and foreign terrorism AND expect complete secrecy in your daily life. Yes, you may be an upstanding citizen of this country, but the government doesn't know you. Your arrest record (if you even have one) does not paint your full threat level picture of you. How on earth can you possibly expect total privacy and safety at the same time? Maybe, just MAYBE if they had pried into Timothy McVeigh a little harder they might have known he was going to do what he did in Oklahoma. Now, you go to one of the families that lost someone to that American and you tell them that you still expect your privacy.

All of the current prying hasn't made anyone safer. You accuse others of paranoia and that is the entire basis for your position. You don't know what is actually happening or how it impacts many people but are convinced this all must be because someone is out to get you. More data can just as easily be utilized to coordinate larger, more deadly acts of terrorism.

 

[G00fyDad]

Those people from the 1700s lived under more oppression than you or I will ever know and were more educated on the dangers of over reach and the corruption that comes with it. They drafted laws and guidelines that were timeless and basic to all human rights. Evil does not care what kind of technology is available or what century it is.

But what good has your beloved Orwellian system accomplished? Why are we in more danger than ever before? Why are terrorist groups growing larger and becoming more powerful? More terror than ever. What good has it done for us besides making air travel a complete hassle? And would it be any different to visit a family who lost a loved one in any one of the terrorist attacks at army bases, schools, shopping malls on American soil since they drafted all these big brother laws? The sad truth is that they want us to be terrified. They want us to tell on each other if we slightly suspect our neighbor might be up to no good because he bought a lot of fertilizer. Rather than embrace each other and our communities, they want us divided and scared so people (like yourself) will beg them to take away any and every right we have... as long as you "feel" safe.

And you fall hook, line and sinker for their B.S. when you regurgitate their propoganda of labeling anyone who disagrees a conspiracy theorist. Its not a conspiracy if its true.

Okay. I can see that you and I do not see eye to eye and you are going to keep overgeneralizing to make a vague point. You think we can have the government protect us from terrorist threats and we can have total privacy. We disagree and I am tired of staring at my screen with this look on my face.

All of the current prying hasn't made anyone safer. You accuse others of paranoia and that is the entire basis for your position. You don't know what is actually happening or how it impacts many people but are convinced this all must be because someone is out to get you. More data can just as easily be utilized to coordinate larger, more deadly acts of terrorism.

Okay. Make your point to me then by answering this one question... Where is the government supposed to get information on domestic terrorism if we have our personal lives so tightly zipped up that God alone could not pry into them? Keep in mind, by your reasoning the government can no longer track your spending habits, listen to your phone calls, bug your home, watch you from a distance, or gain ANY information about you AT ALL. How?

 

[ford91exploder]

Okay. I can see that you and I do not see eye to eye and you are going to keep overgeneralizing to make a vague point. You think we can have the government protect us from terrorist threats and we can have total privacy. We disagree and I am tired of staring at my screen with this look on my face.



Okay. Make your point to me then by answering this one question... Where is the government supposed to get information on domestic terrorism if we have our personal lives so tightly zipped up that God alone could not pry into them? Keep in mind, by your reasoning the government can no longer track your spending habits, listen to your phone calls, bug your home, watch you from a distance, or gain ANY information about you AT ALL. How?

It's simple if a LEO has a reasonable suspicion that someone is up to no good do it the old fashioned way GET A WARRANT and then the LEO's can observe all they want under the supervision of the courts. Right now that data is being collected with no controls, no audit trails and no constraints on its use or dissemination. With a warrant there are controls on how the data collected can be shared and even what data is exempt from collection and if the data collected is misused there are penalties for those involved in the misuse.

The US bill of rights specifically abolished 'General Warrants' which is EXACTLY what the current data gathering programs are because of the potential for abuse.

 

[wdisney9000]

Okay. I can see that you and I do not see eye to eye and you are going to keep overgeneralizing to make a vague point. You think we can have the government protect us from terrorist threats and we can have total privacy. We disagree and I am tired of staring at my screen with this look on my face.



Okay. Make your point to me then by answering this one question... Where is the government supposed to get information on domestic terrorism if we have our personal lives so tightly zipped up that God alone could not pry into them? Keep in mind, by your reasoning the government can no longer track your spending habits, listen to your phone calls, bug your home, watch you from a distance, or gain ANY information about you AT ALL. How?

I think it is more about the simple fact the current system of surveilance on everybody all the time is ineffective. If it doesnt work (which it does not), why not attempt a new approach? Better education and more localized organization within communitis would do more than fear #pron on the news every day. But im sure all the education would bore someones kid so maybe they should just build a cheap Frozen ride to make people feel safe.

 

[ford91exploder]

I think it is more about the simple fact the current system of surveilance on everybody all the time is ineffective. If it doesnt work (which it does not), why not attempt a new approach? Better education and more localized organization within communitis would do more than fear #pron on the news every day. But im sure all the education would bore someones kid so maybe they should just build a cheap Frozen ride to make people feel safe.

And the Fear Pr0n industry is largely made up of Defense Contractors who salivate over the new 'Forever War' against the countrys own citizens. It will be fun when a few of their kids get caught up in the system....

 

[G00fyDad]

I think it is more about the simple fact the current system of surveilance on everybody all the time is ineffective. If it doesnt work (which it does not), why not attempt a new approach? Better education and more localized organization within communitis would do more than fear #pron on the news every day. But im sure all the education would bore someones kid so maybe they should just build a cheap Frozen ride to make people feel safe.

Okay. THAT I can get behind. Looking at it I suppose what we have IS ineffective. Like so many other things.

 

[wdisney9000]

Okay. THAT I can get behind. Looking at it I suppose what we have IS ineffective. Like so many other things.

Yay, now we wont have to call Homel@nd Sekurity on each other! LOL. I understand your points as well. We do need security measures in place. Not EVERY thing about a person needs to be 100% private, but we need better understanding of our surroundings and the people in our communities. People used to have neighborhood block parties and everybody knew each other and looked out for one another. That still happens, but on a smaller level and its diminishing more every day. People are more envious and intolerant of their friends and neighbors, not supportive and protective.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Okay. Make your point to me then by answering this one question... Where is the government supposed to get information on domestic terrorism if we have our personal lives so tightly zipped up that God alone could not pry into them? Keep in mind, by your reasoning the government can no longer track your spending habits, listen to your phone calls, bug your home, watch you from a distance, or gain ANY information about you AT ALL. How?

There are already methods in place to collect data outside of bulk collection of everyone's information, that is the purpose of a warrant and court systems. Intelligence agencies do actually date back centuries. But what this ignores is that all of that technology can't yet pry into the thoughts of a person who decides to act alone. It can't read a hand written note that is burned after being read. It can't break any and all encryption tools. Most of these terrorists you are hoping to catch don't have big red flags that would be found with more prying. They know to not be blatant. You're whole process needs not just data collection but the criminalization of mundane activities, which is why even you do actually have something to hide.