Creepy New Survey Question....

Dead2009

Horror Movie Guru
Yes. I expect a certain amount of privacy in this world and this crosses the line.

I use ad blockers, VPNs and other blockers on my computer and phone to try and keep my privacy. I turn the GPS features off.

I shouldn't have to worry about what I do being tracked while on vacation.

People who go to great lengths to make sure the mean old govt can't see them usually have something to hide. Not saying you do, but if you go to great extremes to hide on the Internet, you should probably move to an area where you're unable to gain access to it.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I understand people feel differently than I do. I am just trying to understand how some of these people draw a connecting line between Disney's data collection and a totalitarian society coming about. The whole "It's a slippery slope from data mining to Big Brother invading your homes." argument is silly and has been spewed forth constantly. My own father is one of those people. He spends 30 minutes watching FOX News and walks away from the TV yelling a griping about how the government is spying on our phone conversations, spying on us through webcams, and that we are mere months from Armageddon and the end of life as we know it. It's a flipping Disney survey and data collection. They are not stealing souls. Allowing this data collection is not sacrificing your ideals. It is just internal data Disney uses. If people are that worried about their data getting out then they need to get off the PC, toss their phones out a window, and give up all credit cards. I don't care what ad blockers they have, whether they are behind a VPN, etc. Those companies are still mining the h**l outta people for data. Oh, that person that put a tic mark in the box denying permission for that? Oh, well then let me tell you just how naive people really are. LOL It is just shopping and spending habits data. Not social security numbers or cameras in your homes. But go ahead... tell me more about the slippery slope.

I feel like I am about to see a bunch of people dressed like Native Americans running past me carrying boxes of tea or something.
The line is there because governments have been demanding more and more unfettered access to this type of data.


People who go to great lengths to make sure the mean old govt can't see them usually have something to hide. Not saying you do, but if you go to great extremes to hide on the Internet, you should probably move to an area where you're unable to gain access to it.
The flaw with this line of thinking is governments that want this type of unrestricted access are not looking for things that we would consider wrong.
 

Glasgow

Well-Known Member
Analytics. It's not just for breakfast anymore.

Every single industry is using it. See those ads you're getting in your browser, Facebook and Twitter? All based on previous activity. At least WDC is asking for permission, kind of.

The line gets drawn at collection or distribution of PII or other compliance related data. As long as the data is used in accordance with all compliance laws, I don't fault them for using it to improve the guest experience.

Now if they start sending me pictures from my room or start explicitly influencing my decisions, thats where I draw the line.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
The line is there because governments have been demanding more and more unfettered access to this type of data.



The flaw with this line of thinking is governments that want this type of unrestricted access are not looking for things that we would consider wrong.

Exactly -

And for the 'I have nothing to hide' crowd I recommend the book 'Three Felonies a Day' which is the modern extension of Cardinal Richelieu's famous comment "Give me six lines written by the most honest man alive and I will find something to hang him with' and in that context he meant the death penalty.

As to camera's in your homes do you have a NannyCam or PetCam. Well the Police in the US are about to get access to ALL CAMERAS WITHOUT A WARRANT.

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/new-surveillance-system-let-cops-use-cameras/

We are definitely heading to a place none of us really want to be.
 

G00fyDad

Well-Known Member
The line is there because governments have been demanding more and more unfettered access to this type of data.



The flaw with this line of thinking is governments that want this type of unrestricted access are not looking for things that we would consider wrong.

You're trying to tell me that you think the US Government cares that I went to Mousegears? o_O
 

Unplugged

Well-Known Member
Every company tracks and maintains data on products or services sold and customers.
  • If you register an email address at a Home Depot store to receive electronic receipts, they are now able to contact you (if they wanted) based on what individual items were purchased.
  • Ever shop at Kohl's and get the reward dollars plus points for your next purchase?
  • How many participate in airline, hotel, or credit card reward mile programs?
  • Ever have your credit card company call you to say they believe your card number may have been stolen due to some recent charges?
It's not much of an effort these days to correlate data from multiple sources and run some basic analytics on it. That's how credit card companies identify stolen cards, from purchase habits.

This topic pops up every few months and the only thing that amazes me is how ignorant so many people still are about available data on them or how much they freak out thinking "Disney is Big Brother". This is nothing new, just using a Magicband as opposed to your Key to the World card. This also isn't anything new for the rest of modern society. Anyone telling you they live "off the grid" is 99.99% full of the same nuts Chip & Dale are.

The issues are not about what data someone has on you (especially when you are in their park, using their facilities, and wearing their convenience device), but more so what they do with it. When someone on this board finds out Disney is handing over data to the NSA, then we'll have justification to start a new thread.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Why do they care when you call your friends?

So that USG can construct a social graph of your contacts and Finagle help you if within 3 levels of contact you are associated with a 'person of interest' you might even end up on the OFAC (Office of Foreign Assets Control) 'No Buy List' where no one is allowed to sell you ANYTHING even food.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
No. It is actual confusion. I mentioned nothing about calling anyone, nor friends. Your comment made NO sense.
The US government was collecting information on all of your phone calls. How is that not something we consider trivial? You may not immediately grasp why your shopping at MouseGear is valuable but it very much is valuable for any number of purposes.
 

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