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News Crazy fight in Toontown
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Californian Elitist
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shambolicdefending
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The video from that one didn't look as bad, but those who claim to know imply that incident wasn't handled much more quickly or gracefully than this one was.
Janir
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Actually I'm surprised that he just doesn't open a security track in the Disney College Intern program and hire the bulk of security as interns for minimum wage. ( I kid, I kid! Please don't take that as a suggestion!)
Blpace41
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Just Wow. You expect to be safe Inside the Park. Very disappointed security is that slow in response, and even more Disturbed they did very little. Makes you wonder how bad things could get. And to see woman being beaten without someone doing anything?
TROR
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Most people actually dress pretty decently, I’ve found. I think the price hike has helped.Too late. And you must not really care that much since you continue to visit the park.
Nirya
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I was actually in that area for that. The dude was able to hold up the entrance for a good amount of time before the macing actually happened.
Disney Analyst
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I mean, my only really requests are good personal hygiene, and clothes that suit your body that aren't to risqué
... That's about it.
Ismael Flores
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what surprises me as well is that people around did not just grab their families and move to other parts of the land or away all together. What is it and the need for people to stand around and watch especially when you have children around.
It is also a shame that couple CM's did nothing to at least stop the guests from approaching the area instead just stood and watch it all go down. Which then becomes laughable when the CM standing around all of a sudden decides to extend her arms out as gesture to hold off guests after the fact. Worst of all when security gets there and they themselves do not have the women escorted out the backstage gates to help prevent further violence and vulgarity while the other security calms down that big guy.
The only CM that i see try something was the older maintenance man and i was actually worried he would get hit.
I know that they are probably told not to confront guests because it could provake further escalation of the problem and they can also get injured. I do not blame the CM's for not getting involved they were probably following protocal especially if they did get involved and someone got hurt. That would meetn legal issues later on but the old man was brave to at least just try to tlak him down. The issue is that the other CM's should have automatically started to clear the area and they didn't and instead just stood taring at it all escalate.
It is also a shame that couple CM's did nothing to at least stop the guests from approaching the area instead just stood and watch it all go down. Which then becomes laughable when the CM standing around all of a sudden decides to extend her arms out as gesture to hold off guests after the fact. Worst of all when security gets there and they themselves do not have the women escorted out the backstage gates to help prevent further violence and vulgarity while the other security calms down that big guy.
The only CM that i see try something was the older maintenance man and i was actually worried he would get hit.
I know that they are probably told not to confront guests because it could provake further escalation of the problem and they can also get injured. I do not blame the CM's for not getting involved they were probably following protocal especially if they did get involved and someone got hurt. That would meetn legal issues later on but the old man was brave to at least just try to tlak him down. The issue is that the other CM's should have automatically started to clear the area and they didn't and instead just stood taring at it all escalate.
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shambolicdefending
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Not sure if anyone on wdwmagic is qualified to answer, but I'd be curious to know what law enforcement's take on this is.
If you take the liability and PR issues out of it, would the real police be OK with private security getting physically involved, up to the point of restraining or incapacitating the perpetrators?
And, from a public safety perspective, is Anaheim PD comfortable with the police presence they have at DLR today? Or would they prefer to have Disney budget more officers so they could respond to stuff like this more quickly?
If you take the liability and PR issues out of it, would the real police be OK with private security getting physically involved, up to the point of restraining or incapacitating the perpetrators?
And, from a public safety perspective, is Anaheim PD comfortable with the police presence they have at DLR today? Or would they prefer to have Disney budget more officers so they could respond to stuff like this more quickly?
andysol
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Something people keep missing out on.
To your second point, when you have a world that tells us that saying "man up" is a micro aggression and a bad thing, you have a bunch of weak men walking around afraid and unwilling to go above and beyond.
Ya- it was disturbing to see. I'm glad some people jumped in. It's not a matter of what you can risk, it's about doing the right thing. Selflessly giving yourself to help someone defenseless. Job or not, I'd do it 100 times out of 100.
What was equally horrific was that he had enough awareness to open hand slap the lady in white. Closed fist go after the guy in black. Open hand slap the lady in white repeatedly. Closed fist to his girl in brown. He "only" open hand slapped the female stranger but so willingly closed fist punched his domestic partner.
That guy can burn in a fiery hell for eternity as far as I'm concerned.
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donaldtoo
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Probably already been covered, but...
How in the flippin' hell, especially in this post 9/11 day and age, was some kinda' legit authority not all over that situation in about 15-30 seconds, max...?!?!?! I woulda' thought they'd be lurkin' in the shadows just waitin' to pounce on crap like this...?
Disregard 9/11, and it still shouldn't have gone on nearly as long as it did. With, mostly, only paying guests deciding to step in, because they couldn't stand to see this craziness go on any longer, and felt the need to do something about it.
Just nutso, all the flippin' way around.
How in the flippin' hell, especially in this post 9/11 day and age, was some kinda' legit authority not all over that situation in about 15-30 seconds, max...?!?!?! I woulda' thought they'd be lurkin' in the shadows just waitin' to pounce on crap like this...?
Disregard 9/11, and it still shouldn't have gone on nearly as long as it did. With, mostly, only paying guests deciding to step in, because they couldn't stand to see this craziness go on any longer, and felt the need to do something about it.
Just nutso, all the flippin' way around.
I have no expectation of safety anytime anywhere. Anything can happen anytime.
And how dare you assume gender. Have some respect. Its Cali. Its not proper to assume gender, race, species.
Disney Analyst
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So your assertion is that by default, men should be strong, brave, and willing to go into harms way?
Tanna Eros
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To be honest, that woman in the scooter is built like my mother.So nobody really needed that scooter.
Mom's been invited to a nice trip to Sarasota for two weeks.
She gives the excuse of no one to watch dad, but here I am. I can even set up my office at his kitchen table, and we'd have a grand old time.
It's because she can't walk far, but she doesn't want to say it.
So I tell her, "Rent a Hoovaround." I'll pay just to get her a change of scenery, She can walk short distances, but to be honest, it would be not be fun for the people she's with to have to stop every 30 feet. I suspect sometimes those rent a scooters are for the people in the group more than for the rider.
andysol
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Yes. And that shouldn't be exclusive to men, but women also.So your assertion is that by default, men should be strong, brave, and willing to go into harms way?
I'm sorry, maybe I have it wrong. Are we only supposed to fight for injustice on the politics board, Facebook or over a dining room table with our friends? How about when defenseless people are getting pummeled? Is that an adequate time?
So yes, men should be strong, brave and willing to defend the defenseless. Women should too.
Disney Analyst
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Sure, there are people on all sides who can fill that niche. But I know that if I were to try and intervene, I'd likely get picked up and thrown away. Some of us aren't quite able to be of any help other then finding people who can be of help.
KBLovedDisney
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Well, according to your list, I am not really dressed decent.
Visible tattoos? Check.
Unnatural color hair? Check
Facial piercings (because you forgot to list that)? Check
That overweight stuff though? I ain't tapping into that category.
Love how all of this defines my character as a person
Sheesh anyone with tattoos has no respect for their bodyWell, according to your list, I am not really dressed decent.
Visible tattoos? Check.
Unnatural color hair? Check
Facial piercings (because you forgot to list that)? Check
That overweight stuff though? I ain't tapping into that category.
Love how all of this defines my character as a person
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andysol
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And that's fine. You know what you're capable of. Did that old janitor have the physical ability to do anything? The woman who rushed over to help the lady in white after being pummeled (then stopped) and the lady who picked up the child at the end wondering aimlessly after his mom got beaten all equally contributed in that situation. The ones sitting and gawking did not.
That man outweighs me by probably 100 lbs. But power in numbers takes that guy down... which you saw on display. A dozen guys my size easily could have intimidated and subdued him. But I think that setting the expectation of only doing what you're paid to do is a lazy and selfish one.
I would rather teach my children to take on the biggest burden and responsibility that they can safely muster and to stand up for injustice however they can. In particular when it's staring them in their face.
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