castlecake2.0
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Interesting… maybe they recorded a few more songs while they had everyone, would be a pretty easy swap to make to keep driving capacity
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MK Country Bear Jamboree is getting new songs and acts
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Interesting… maybe they recorded a few more songs while they had everyone, would be a pretty easy swap to make to keep driving capacity
Animaniac93-98
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I already talked about this before, but after seeing Deadpool 3, the most self-referential and self-promoting entry in the series, it's clear that this trend is impacting all divisions of the company and everything Disney does*.
We're past concerns about too many sequels and IP only rides. Now every type of media put out by the company has to reference something else. Nothing exists or stands on its own anymore. Everything is a tribute, callback, homage, whatever to something that came before it. Individually, they may be touching or amusing, but collectively, repeatedly, they grow tiresome. Wish was the most egregious example of this, but it's hardly alone. Brandy plays Cinderella again in the latest Descendants movie. The Disney+ Tiana show will be connected to the ride. The Hall of Presidents is dedicated to Walt Disney**. DVC towers are tied into Walt's travels, or rejected construction ideas. Now there are rumors that CoP will reference Horizons, an attraction the company would never build today, was left to rot, for a park they said was insufficiently "Disney". The only consistency is mining the past and working it into every future project, regardless of how that entity was treated at the time of its debut or how it even makes sense in the context of the newer offering. How long before the direct-to-video movies get propped up this way?
And people are eating it up, especially when it comes to things like Country Bears or Small World. Relics of another era that the current generation of fans and Imagineers have no attachment to (How old were they when Disneyland's CBJ closed in 2001?) and only love in hindsight when the company highlights and reimagines them as "Disney"
It's maddening because Walt himself was notoriously eccentric and obsessive about all sorts of ideas. Leonard Maltin has talked about this before, and how the studio's library is full of interesting gems that resulted from this, but it goes beyond movies. The company's history likes to play up the gambles that paid off in the biggest way (Snow White, Disneyland), but his career is full of projects that had no obvious monetary return, didn't return their investment for years (or never) or didn't continue a trend or through line. He didn't just say "you can't top pigs with pigs", he moved on from cartoon pigs to city planning. Which makes zero sense, unless your Walt Disney.
Asha should have wished for the company to get over itself and back to thinking outside their self imposed box.
*Deadpool did it first and better. The new movie is fun, but I can't disagree with those who feel its too self-indulgent in its fan service
**a nice idea, but a clear example of hand holding the audience because we're so far removed from the Disney of the 60s that we now have explain to the guests why an opening day WDW exclusive show is still there. It has to be given explicit "Disney" content or branding
We're past concerns about too many sequels and IP only rides. Now every type of media put out by the company has to reference something else. Nothing exists or stands on its own anymore. Everything is a tribute, callback, homage, whatever to something that came before it. Individually, they may be touching or amusing, but collectively, repeatedly, they grow tiresome. Wish was the most egregious example of this, but it's hardly alone. Brandy plays Cinderella again in the latest Descendants movie. The Disney+ Tiana show will be connected to the ride. The Hall of Presidents is dedicated to Walt Disney**. DVC towers are tied into Walt's travels, or rejected construction ideas. Now there are rumors that CoP will reference Horizons, an attraction the company would never build today, was left to rot, for a park they said was insufficiently "Disney". The only consistency is mining the past and working it into every future project, regardless of how that entity was treated at the time of its debut or how it even makes sense in the context of the newer offering. How long before the direct-to-video movies get propped up this way?
And people are eating it up, especially when it comes to things like Country Bears or Small World. Relics of another era that the current generation of fans and Imagineers have no attachment to (How old were they when Disneyland's CBJ closed in 2001?) and only love in hindsight when the company highlights and reimagines them as "Disney"
It's maddening because Walt himself was notoriously eccentric and obsessive about all sorts of ideas. Leonard Maltin has talked about this before, and how the studio's library is full of interesting gems that resulted from this, but it goes beyond movies. The company's history likes to play up the gambles that paid off in the biggest way (Snow White, Disneyland), but his career is full of projects that had no obvious monetary return, didn't return their investment for years (or never) or didn't continue a trend or through line. He didn't just say "you can't top pigs with pigs", he moved on from cartoon pigs to city planning. Which makes zero sense, unless your Walt Disney.
Asha should have wished for the company to get over itself and back to thinking outside their self imposed box.
*Deadpool did it first and better. The new movie is fun, but I can't disagree with those who feel its too self-indulgent in its fan service
**a nice idea, but a clear example of hand holding the audience because we're so far removed from the Disney of the 60s that we now have explain to the guests why an opening day WDW exclusive show is still there. It has to be given explicit "Disney" content or branding
Mike S
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As a CBMJ enjoyer I still agree with this.
On Hall of Presidents now referencing Walt isn’t it true that the idea does actually date back to him for Disneyland’s Edison Square?
TrainsOfDisney
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Nobody is saying it’s not factual, it’s just strange that something that was 100% Disney Parks is now seen as something that has to be tied to Walt Disney to explain why it exists in the Magic Kingdom.
J.E.Smith
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You know, with the bears singing Disney songs, there was one song that would have been perfect for Buff to sing...though it would fit a Halloween show more than the Musical Jamboree: The Headless Horseman song from Sleepy Hollow, especially since Thurl Ravenscroft sang a cover of it.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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If the rumor of new seasonal shows were true, what could they do for Halloween? The Headless Horseman could work, though idk if giving a song solely to the stuffed heads would work well.
“Blood on the Saddle” would be great for Al and would feel more appropriate (to a modern audience) in a spooky show, though I also feel like each show should have an entirely unique setlist. If we were to reuse more songs though, “Ghost Riders in the Sky” would also work.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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Okay, here’s a rough idea for a set list:
Country Bear Halloween Hoedown
* Bach’s Toccata and Fugue - Gomer
* [Original Opening Song] - Henry, Gomer, and the Five Bear Rugs
* “Midnight in Montgomery” by Alan Jackson - Wendell and Henry
* “Spooky” by Dusty Springfield - Trixie and Gomer
* “Haunted House” by Jumpin’ Gene Simmons - Romeo McGrowl
* “I Put a Spell on You” from Hocus Pocus - The Sun Bonnets
* “Ghost Riders in the Sky” by Johnny Cash - The Five Bear Rugs
* “The House is Haunted” by Mel Tormé - Shaker
* “Sally’s Song” & “Sally’s Song (Reprise)” from the Nightmare Before Christmas- Teddi Barra and Henry
* “The Devil Went Down to Georgia” by Charlie Daniels - Ernest
* “Blood on the Saddle” by Tex Ritter - Big Al
* “The Headless Horseman” from The Adventures of Ichabod & Mr. Toad - Henry, Sammy, Buff, Max, and Melvin
* “Trick or Treat for Halloween” from Trick or Treat (1952)- Cast (minus Trixie and Ernest)
UPDATED: Swapped out Trixie and Romeo’s songs with some great suggestions by Magicart87!
I feel like the finale could use a more “show stopping” song, but I can’t think of one that would still fit the show. “This is Halloween” is too specific to NBC (Sally’s Song can be modified slightly to work as a general love song), and most popular “Halloween” songs are too modern. I suppose “Trick or Treat” could work as the opening song, and something original for the end song.
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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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And just for fun, costume ideas!
* Henry - striped suit jacket with bat bow tie, ala Jack Skellington. His top hat is back, this time with a spiderweb pattern.
* Sammy - back on Henry’s head, popping out of the top hat. Wears a pumpkin hat.
* Melvin- cobwebs in antlers, with a spider dangling down.
* Buff - Frankenstein bolts in neck?
* Max - orange string lights in antlers.
* Gomer - Dracula cape and high collar. Maybe a Phantom of the Opera mask too? Beehive on piano is replaced with a jack-o-lantern.
* The Five Bear Rugs- same as the CBMJ outfits, but with orange/black instead of blue bandanas. Tennessee’s bird has a pumpkin for a head.
* Wendell - white cowboy hat, black vest, and belt with pumpkin buckle.
* Trixie - black silky dress with a black bow & veil. Holding a candle in one hand and a handkerchief in the other.
* Romeo McGrowl - His CBMJ outfit but black with orange accents. His hair is dyed black, and the rose in his hair is replaced with a candied apple that’s gotten all tangled up, and maybe he has candy stuck all over him as well. His guitar is shaped like a skull.
* The Sun Bonnets - dressed with costumes inspired by the Hocus Pocus witches. Not their exact costumes as that’d look tacky.
* Shaker - typical sheet ghost costume, but with one large hole for his entire face. Maybe he’s partnered with a black cat, much like he was in the other seasonal overlays?
* Teddi Barra - witch hat with a purple boa. Her necklace is purple gems, and her swing is wrapped in webbing instead of rose vines.
* Ernest - Black vest, red bow tie, and a black cowboy hat.
* Big Al - Blood red tattered cowboy hat, black vest with red accents, and a trick or treat bucket full of candy instead of his jug.
The theater would be decorated similarly to the Christmas show, with orange string lights added all over. There’d also be lots of cobwebs, jack-o-lanterns, and perhaps some candles as well. I also imagine there could be a gag with the lights going out suddenly to scare everyone, but it was actually just Rufus tripping over a wire.
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I'd definitely want to hear a CB version of:
Spooky - Dusty Springfield
Haunted House - Jumpin Gene Simmons
Friends on the Other Side for intro/outro.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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I really dig those ideas, I’d replace “Ghost Story” with “Spooky” since I think it fits Trixie well, and then “Haunted House” would fit Romeo really well!
Friends on the Other Side could work with a little adjustments to the lyrics. Though I’m wondering if Disney would go for that song, given their aversion to Facilier lately.
J.E.Smith
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The only issue with trying to pick songs for Trixie and the Sun Bonnets is if the show stays at the 10-minute runtime, then if Trixie and the Sun Bonnets would still have to have a combined number to fit everyone in.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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That’s fair. I wasn’t super concerned with length, I was going for a Vacation Hoedown-esque length. If I were to fit it under 10 minutes I think I’d make Trick or Treat the opening, Ghost Riders the finale, and cut Headless Horseman (Sammy just joins in for the finale instead)
I’m working on a hypothetical script and without the last two songs it’s 11 minutes which isn’t awful.
Powerline's Roadie
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Spoke to a character attendant cast member today. They claimed that Romeo McGrowl walk around character will not be returning despite previous rumors that he would be meeting in his new outfit.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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Did they say why at all?
Powerline's Roadie
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No reason was given. They could be wrong. My guess is they don’t want to keep correcting people on the name.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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Well, since I had the day off work, I spent it writing a script for a hypothetical Halloween show. I'm by no means a writer, and this definitely needs some work when it comes to the in-between-song banter, but I think it's at a good starting point. I'd love it to have some sort of throughline like the Vacation show (the skunk backstage starting from the beginning and coming to a finale at the end).
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KNX3l1p4Z4lCNE7e1T118IC8Kkc0hW7KuTvrCGR8KqY/edit?usp=sharing
I made some changes from my setlist I posted yesterday. I reordered some songs to account for needing to turn the stages around between songs (I had Ernest and Big Al back-to-back at one point, as well as Shaker and Henry on the same stage back-to-back), and I turned the Headless Horseman song into the finale to trim the show down by one song. Assuming each page is about a minute long and not counting the cover page, the show would run around 14 minutes (adding a minute onto the show for the original opening song that isn't written.), which is shorter than the Vacation Hoedown, Christmas Special, and the full original show! It's about 4 minutes longer than the CBMJ, so if it were to be more realistic, I'd probably have to tighten the show a bit more, cutting some dialogue or maybe cutting Ghost Riders since it was already in CBVH. Though I feel like limited-time seasonal shows have an excuse to be a little longer. I'd hate to cut character moments, as I feel that's what really makes these shows, rather than it just being bears that act as speakers for music.
Feel free to leave comments on the script, I'd love to get it in a better shape!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KNX3l1p4Z4lCNE7e1T118IC8Kkc0hW7KuTvrCGR8KqY/edit?usp=sharing
I made some changes from my setlist I posted yesterday. I reordered some songs to account for needing to turn the stages around between songs (I had Ernest and Big Al back-to-back at one point, as well as Shaker and Henry on the same stage back-to-back), and I turned the Headless Horseman song into the finale to trim the show down by one song. Assuming each page is about a minute long and not counting the cover page, the show would run around 14 minutes (adding a minute onto the show for the original opening song that isn't written.), which is shorter than the Vacation Hoedown, Christmas Special, and the full original show! It's about 4 minutes longer than the CBMJ, so if it were to be more realistic, I'd probably have to tighten the show a bit more, cutting some dialogue or maybe cutting Ghost Riders since it was already in CBVH. Though I feel like limited-time seasonal shows have an excuse to be a little longer. I'd hate to cut character moments, as I feel that's what really makes these shows, rather than it just being bears that act as speakers for music.
Feel free to leave comments on the script, I'd love to get it in a better shape!
FigmentJedi
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I feel like the animal heads should have a bit more play in the finale, not just from the obvious joke there, but as a tribute to Thurl's cover. Like give Buff the last line as a big finish.
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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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I’d love to! Do you mean the Imagineer section here or is it a separate site?