Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lady Liberty]

First I want to say I haven’t read all 4,000+ pages of this thread, I’m late to the discussion and I don’t have that much time to devote to that effort. Second, some posters seem to be very passionate and at times angry when responding to other posters. That being said, I want to comment on a few posts.

Some of that was though.

Really the line "covid is always going to be here" or "never going away" is repeated so much it's hard to miss. The pregnancy comments were loud and clear here. Some of it had the beginnings of the sentences but I think the second half were filled in with what wasn't said here, but we often see elsewhere.

Many people making that statement are using it to directly say there isn't a point to doing anything.

It's an crazy jump in logic to decide that a problem is to big to solve EVERYWHERE so there's not sense solving it ANYWHERE, but that's exactly what many people are saying when they say "it will never go away".

I get that, but for even a year now (long before vaccines were available) people have been saying it but in a way that is just "let it go, because nothing we can do about it". It may be around for a while, but we have the ability to make it not a worry for the vast majority of people at worst. We're just not doing what we should. Like you said the vaccine is one we need to do and many aren't!

Maybe you weren't referring to my post but I want to clarify when I said that CV19 will never be fully gone I wasn't suggesting that anyone not get vaccinated. I think that all who can get vaccinated, should get fully vaccinated. Please don’t think or suggest that what I said had any other meaning than that the virus is here to stay just like the flu and we all have to learn to live with it. This may require yearly vaccinations just like we get the flu shot annually.

I’m not sure why a comment about women who are pregnant getting the vaccine was taken so harshly, please explain. Please enlighten me what the second part of the sentence is supposed to be. For me there was no “second part”.

Maybe there are so many no vaxers because of those who were so against the vaccines when they first came out. If you look back a few months and remember who the people were that said they would never get the vaccine you will see that those same people are now in prominent positions and are now pushing the vaccine. Interesting how in a few months time they have changed their minds and want everyone to get vaxed. I guess this is a perfect example of being careful of what you say because it can come back and bite you.

 

[LittleBuford]

If you look back a few months and remember who the people were that said they would never get the vaccine you will see that those same people are now in prominent positions and are now pushing the vaccine.

Who are you referring to? Could you give a few examples?

 

[Figgy1]

Who are you referring to? Could you give a few examples?

How's your dad doing?

 

[Lilofan]

For small business owners with life savings and financial future at risk, how did it feel when the government declared your business "Not Essential"?

You are aware of the term " flattening the curve "? Govt deeming business non essential while drastic and hurtful for small businesses is part of the flattening the curve.

 

[LittleBuford]

How's your dad doing?

Really well, thanks! It’s almost difficult to believe that he was so ill only a few months ago. Modern science and medicine are amazing gifts.

 

[Lilofan]

Seriously. If someone yelled "traitor" at me, I would pull out my military ID and ask them how many combat tours they've done in the defense of this country. I guarantee I've done more.

I've got friends and family , former military. They all have something in common. They eat their meals at breakneck speed.

 

[Figgy1]

Really well, thanks! It’s almost difficult to believe that he was so ill only a few months ago. Modern science and medicine are amazing gifts.

Sending lots of good vibes and socially distanced {{HUGS}}

 

[LittleBuford]

Sending lots of good vibes and socially distanced {{HUGS}}

Reciprocated with Pixie Dust! I hope you and your loved ones are all keeping well.

 

[Figgy1]

Reciprocated with Pixie Dust! I hope you and your loved ones are all keeping well.

Thank you we're all doing well

 

[lazyboy97o]

COVID-19 is always going to be with us. It’s way too transmissible of a virus for “zero COVID” to be a realistic goal. I think smallpox is the only virus that has been totally eradicated. People will have to make their peace with that.

Rinderpest, which infects cattle, has also been eradicated along with two of the three types of polio. A few other diseases have been eliminated from the US and other parts of the world, meaning while they are still out there they are not circulating in the US.

 

[mmascari]

Maybe you weren't referring to my post but I want to clarify when I said that CV19 will never be fully gone I wasn't suggesting that anyone not get vaccinated. I think that all who can get vaccinated, should get fully vaccinated. Please don’t think or suggest that what I said had any other meaning than that the virus is here to stay just like the flu and we all have to learn to live with it. This may require yearly vaccinations just like we get the flu shot annually.

I’m not sure why a comment about women who are pregnant getting the vaccine was taken so harshly, please explain. Please enlighten me what the second part of the sentence is supposed to be. For me there was no “second part”.

I don't know if it was you or not. It's a theme of many posters and talking points. Which creates a communication problem. Someone who repeats the first part of a talking point, and leaves out any additional nuance or context isn't communicating well. They're repeating the the talking point part, and with no other information present, the assumption everyone else hears is the rest of the talking point.

So, "COVID will never go away, so there's no sense getting a vaccine" is a talking point and perspective of "vaccine hesitancy". It's a bad take and stupid, up there with "it's not 100% so why bother making anything even a little better". Then, someone will later post just "COVID will never go away" with not other information. Even if they don't mean it with the rest of that statement, it's too late. The rest is what everyone hears. A communication problem. Either they really did mean the rest of that, "so why bother", or they're not communicating what they really mean and everyone is getting a message they didn't intend.

Likewise, all the pregnant and fertility talking points are "we don't know the impact the vaccine will have on pregnancy or fertility, so don't get the vaccine". Leaving off the second part implies that the post is being coy but that's what they really mean. A communication problem again. Since the statement is completely false.

Unless that's what someone really means, which is a bad take and incorrect for both.

Maybe there are so many no vaxers because of those who were so against the vaccines when they first came out. If you look back a few months and remember who the people were that said they would never get the vaccine you will see that those same people are now in prominent positions and are now pushing the vaccine. Interesting how in a few months time they have changed their minds and want everyone to get vaxed. I guess this is a perfect example of being careful of what you say because it can come back and bite you.

This take completely drops all the nuance and twists the facts incorrectly too. This is not what happened at all. It does however match with the original communication problem above of not saying the end but just implying it. So, maybe it was you then. Or, you're communication to everyone that there are "concerns and implications and LOTS of reasons to not get the vaccine", but being coy about it to not actually say those things outright.

There's tons of posts like "oh you should get the vaccine, but there's all these concerns and issues and you should TOTALLY do your own research first and make sure that none of those is an issue to you specifically". They're all junk. All a way to put a veneer of "get a vaccine" on a message that is really the reverse. The number of reasons to not get the vaccine is amazingly small and applies to very few people. All of whom are very aware of their restrictions and not doing some random internet search to learn about an issue.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

For small business owners with life savings and financial future at risk, how did it feel when the government declared your business "Not Essential"?

It felt completely accurate. What I do is 100% non essential. Between unemployment and SBA I was fine. Work came right back when everything opened up.

If things close down again, my work will return again. It’s really quite simple.

 

[Chi84]

For small business owners with life savings and financial future at risk, how did it feel when the government declared your business "Not Essential"?

There are many people who cannot (or will not), for whatever reason, think outside of their own experience. So if they made it, everyone made it - no brainer.

 

[danlb_2000]

One of the benefits of the mRNA vaccine technology is that it's incredibly easy to modify the sequence to code a new protein.

How much testing would they have to go through if they did that?

 

[willtravel]

It felt completely accurate. What I do is 100% non essential. Between unemployment and SBA I was fine. Work came right back when everything opened up.

If things close down again, my work will return again. It’s really quite simple.

Well I am glad that it is quite simple for you...................

 

[bryanfze55]

Rinderpest, which infects cattle, has also been eradicated along with two of the three types of polio. A few other diseases have been eliminated from the US and other parts of the world, meaning while they are still out there they are not circulating in the US.

It’s largely scientific consensus that COVID-19 will become endemic. The likely outcome is what we should prepare for rather than the desired outcome.

 

[drizgirl]

It felt completely accurate. What I do is 100% non essential. Between unemployment and SBA I was fine. Work came right back when everything opened up.

If things close down again, my work will return again. It’s really quite simple.

It wasn't simple when my husband's unemployment took more than 6 months to show up. There were TONS of people in the same boat.

 

[drizgirl]

Well I am glad that it is quite simple for you...................

You mean simple for one person doesn't mean simple for everyone?

 

[Bob Harlem]

The Rt number for Florida is under 1 now, which is another indicator the peak is near. The UF study, led by Dr. Ira Longini, on this suggested around August 18th is when the cases should peak.

covidestim: COVID-19 nowcasting

Up-to-date estimates of key covid-19 metrics for your county or state

covidestim.org

This is the graph of Longini's model

 

[GoofGoof]

Sitting here for my son 7th grade orientation, and there are easily over a thousand parents and kids packed into this multipurpose room . No mask requirement. Pretty sure I saw more people wearing a mask at Universal studios Orlando.

My kids are going into middle school and high school this year. Both have an orientation next week. In both cases they uninvited parents and are limiting it to just kids so they can do better distancing. Masks are required for all kids and staff at all times as they will be once school starts. It’s crazy to me that after all this time people don’t get it.