Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Incomudro]

But was touted here by many a year ago,April-may 2020 as the gold standard that the US should be following. Can you imagine.

I believe the Swedish people on the whole are quite happy with the outcome.

 

[GoofGoof]

You’re not suggesting we protect the most vulnerable, are you?

In a way yes, but not by locking them in their homes for 18 months, but by having a higher level of restrictions for the whole population is places where there is a higher concentration of vulnerable people. It would never actually happen that way in the real world, but it would be an efficient way to maximize protection where it was needed most.

Kinda like the most efficient way to board an airplane is to do window seats first from back to front, then middle seats back to front then aisle. If every flight boarded that way 100% of the time with no exceptions the boarding time would be cut in half, but nobody will actually agree to it because they want to board with their family or they have priority status or some other reason to not follow.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I believe the Swedish people on the whole are quite happy with the outcome.

In the beginning the Swedes for the most part liked the idea and was very supportive. Until around the June timeframe support waned and doing a quick google search from November until now will show that their initial reaction has turned all the way around. In fact they are saying if elections were held today the opposition has a higher approval rating because of the handling of the pandemic. That’s not even counting the neighboring countries who are disapproving of how it was handled and has affecting them.

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Swedenâs population is losing confidence in the countryâs strategy to combat COVID-19

Rising Covid-19 cases in the country comes as Sweden's Prince Carl Philip and his wife test positive for coronavirus

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[GoofGoof]

I believe the Swedish people on the whole are quite happy with the outcome.

I doubt anyone in the world is quite happy with the outcome of this pandemic. They suffered great losses both in human life and economically just like the rest of the world.

 

[GoofGoof]

Sorry, I added something to my last post that it seems you did not have a chance to read, so I'll add it here as well:

My view is that many state mandates were irrelevant. Instead, how strictly private businesses and retail stores (places where non-family members are most likely to gather indoors) enforced masks and social distancing is a significant factor that often gets ignored.

IMO, there was not a huge amount of variance from state-to-state because even in those states that eased up more quickly than others, most large private businesses and chain stores continued to require masks and social distancing.

So although governor 'X' had such-and-such rules and eased up on those rules at such-and-such rates, large businesses and major realtors mostly ignored what those governors were doing and kept in place the rules they were being advised to follow by their health experts.

Yes, agreed. Mandates and requirements mean much less when they can’t be enforced. A government would have to either fine or arrest violators which didn’t happen a whole lot and wasn’t very successful. Private businesses on the other hand can just ban people from entering if they don’t follow masks and distancing. The most effective part of government mandates was setting a tone from the top. In states that had Governors who publicly supported sensible restrictions businesses met less resistance from customers.

Imagine if everyone actually just followed the covid restrictions 100% of the time, even if they thought they were unnecessary, because it was the right thing to do. We would have then known one way or the other if the restrictions actually worked. Instead we got constant resistance and then some of the same people who didn‘t follow the restrictions and recommendations then claimed they didn’t work because cases kept growing in numbers. It’s all an academic debate at this point since that ship has long ago sailed, but we may have actually had an easier time figuring out what worked and what didn’t if most or all of the people were actually following rules.

 

[havoc315]

I believe the Swedish people on the whole are quite happy with the outcome.

ah no. Which is why Sweden now has tons of lockdown restrictions.

 

[havoc315]

Yes, agreed. Mandates and requirements mean much less when they can’t be enforced. A government would have to either fine or arrest violators which didn’t happen a whole lot and wasn’t very successful. Private businesses on the other hand can just ban people from entering if they don’t follow masks and distancing. The most effective part of government mandates was setting a tone from the top. In states that had Governors who publicly supported sensible restrictions businesses met less resistance from customers.

Imagine if everyone actually just followed the covid restrictions 100% of the time, even if they thought they were unnecessary, because it was the right thing to do. We would have then known one way or the other if the restrictions actually worked. Instead we got constant resistance and then some of the same people who didn‘t follow the restrictions and recommendations then claimed they didn’t work because cases kept growing in numbers. It’s all an academic debate at this point since that ship has long ago sailed, but we may have actually had an easier time figuring out what worked and what didn’t if most or all of the people were actually following rules.

“the restrictions don’t work, so I’m not going to comply with the restrictions”

Covid cases increase as people ignore the restrictions.

“see.... the restrictions don’t work.”

 

[Nubs70]

Nope. The early estimates were not based on less contagious variants. Fauci himself said something to the effect that he used the lower number because the public wasn't ready to hear the real number and then when polls indicated higher acceptance he felt he could give he higher estimate.

The lower number was either a lie or something he just made up.

I would like to hear Fauci's stance on the ethics of gain of function research.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I just don’t get it.

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[DCBaker]

 

[GoofGoof]

I just don’t get it.

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Woods said service members may have declined the offer for any one of a variety of reasons, including wanting to allow others to get the vaccine before them; having already received the vaccine through other channels; or waiting until the military makes receiving the vaccine mandatory, which it has yet to do.

It would be more informative if they could quantify how many of the Marines who said “no thanks” fall into the 2 bolded categories. It’s much less of a story if half the no’s either already went or plan to go later. The general population acceptance rate in polling is still around 70% so if even 10% of the people got the vaccine through other channels that would make it about where the average poll is.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Wonder how those who coughed and spat on CMs are doing in the criminal justice system of Florida (if charged at all in the first place). One such resolution elsewhere in FL:

A Florida woman who coughed in a shopper’s face last year at Pier 1 was sentenced to 30 days in jail. (Published 2021)

www.nytimes.com

A Florida woman who was seen in a widely watched video intentionally coughing on a shopper at a Pier 1 home-goods store over the summer, as fears about the pandemic were raging, was sentenced on Thursday to 30 days in jail, court records show.​

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The woman, Debra Hunter, 53, had been charged with misdemeanor assault in June after she walked up and coughed on the shopper, Heather Sprague, who had been recording video of Ms. Hunter’s dispute with employees at the store, in Jacksonville....​

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“I think I’ll get real close to you and cough on you, then — how’s that?” Ms. Hunter is heard saying in the video footage as she approaches the camera lens and then coughs. Ms. Sprague, who said she was wearing a mask at the time, testified in court that Ms. Hunter had left spittle on her face.​

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The episode came during a period during the pandemic when the authorities were responding to heated confrontations across the country over mask mandates and other precautions, with some of those disputes leading to criminal charges for people who spat or coughed on ride-share drivers, store employees and police officers. Retail workers also reported being subjected to verbal abuse — and even threats involving guns — for enforcing mask rules at their workplaces.​

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In addition to 30 days in jail, Ms. Hunter was sentenced to six months of probation and ordered to pay a $500 fine. The judge in the sentencing hearing, James A. Ruth of Duval County Court, also ordered her to take an anger-management class and to undergo a mental-health evaluation and participate in follow-up treatment, if appropriate.​

 

[GoofGoof]

Good news

We are right back on track after the Easter weekend slow down. 12M doses administered over the last 3 days and 7 day average is over 3.1M a day. 45% of adults received at least 1 shot, inching closer to hitting the point where the majority of adults have started the vaccine process. 65+ still rising and now at 78.1% at least started.

 

[JoeCamel]

Woods said service members may have declined the offer for any one of a variety of reasons, including wanting to allow others to get the vaccine before them; having already received the vaccine through other channels; or waiting until the military makes receiving the vaccine mandatory, which it has yet to do.

It would be more informative if they could quantify how many of the Marines who said “no thanks” fall into the 2 bolded categories. It’s much less of a story if half the no’s either already went or plan to go later. The general population acceptance rate in polling is still around 70% so if even 10% of the people got the vaccine through other channels that would make it about where the average poll is.

Someone needs to tell those who want others to go first that they need to be on the front lines and ready to serve?

 

[GoofGoof]

Someone needs to tell those who want others to go first that they need to be on the front lines and ready to serve?

Agreed. In their defense it depends on when the response was given. If it was back in Jan/Feb when doses were very scarce I could see a 20 year old marine wanting to wait if his grandparents and other elderly relatives hadn’t gone yet. At this point nobody should be waiting for others to go. Once the vaccine gets full FDA approval I assume the DoD will mandate it for all soldiers so the ones left will get done.

 

[Horizons '83]

Agreed. In their defense it depends on when the response was given. If it was back in Jan/Feb when doses were very scarce I could see a 20 year old marine wanting to wait if his grandparents and other elderly relatives hadn’t gone yet. At this point nobody should be waiting for others to go. Once the vaccine gets full FDA approval I assume the DoD will mandate it for all soldiers so the ones left will get done.

Unfortunately the trial technically ends in 2023, so that might be awhile.

 

[Touchdown]

I think with younger employed people getting vaccinated now that we need to adjust our vaccine appointment schedules, with the widely known side effects occurring 24 hours after the shot most employed people are going to want a Friday or Saturday appointment so as not to miss a day of work. We need to stop bemoaning low numbers Mon-Thur and wait for the weekly number. We have had record days Fri and Sat for weeks now.

Also with the J&J slowdown after today, we won’t likely have a record day for the next few weeks.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I just don’t get it.

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For about a year during my army career, I ran sick call for the Marines stationed at Fort Sill for artillery AIT. There seems to be something about the type of individual who joins the Marines. Generally really tough, but they turn white as a ghost if they need to receive a needle. I never noticed the same with the army.

I'm not claiming this is the reason, just an observation.

 

[correcaminos]

Unfortunately the trial technically ends in 2023, so that might be awhile.

Does not mean they have to wait

In-Depth: How full FDA approval would impact vaccine mandates, competition

Pfizer could apply for full FDA approval of its COVID-19 vaccine as early as this month, and Moderna could follow soon after. If regulators sign off, that status change would have significant impacts on vaccine mandates in workplaces and other experimental vaccine candidates still in development.

www.10news.com

 

[seascape]

The number of cases in the US keep going up, now 20.54 per 100,000. Why? It is the young, but that makes no sense because the young are supposedly better educated so they should ne following the rules. The elderly cases are down significantly because they are vaccinated and followed the rules. Anyway, Michigan which has only 3% of the US population has 11.2% of the cases! However to face the facts it is not just Michigan, the states in singme digits are down to 8 and those in the 10's are 23. Florida is still in 11th place with 28 cases per 100,000.

Vaccinations is the US are now at 35% of people receiving at least 1 shot. Since the studies have shown the one shot from either Pfizer or Moderna are highly effective and the vast majority go back for their second shot, this in my opinion is the number to look at. According to the NY Times 8 states are over 40% with one shot. We are reaching the tipping point. There are still 19 days left in April and if we all do our part and sign up for the vaccine ASAP we can beat Covid19 this month. Sign up, wash your hands and social distance for just a few more weeks. We can then all enjoy Memorial Day and the start of a Summer without Covid19.