Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 7 new reported deaths, along with 2 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

 

[GoofGoof]

Our first confirmed work case was back in March of last year. He was talking about it Friday and said his was just a fever. I asked him if the doctor had tested him for antibodies or asked him to, he said no. So asked him if he was getting the vaccine, again answer is no: cause he already had Covid last year and it "wasn't that bad".
I'm surprised they haven't asked for antibody testing to determine if he's still carrying immunity. Isn't that something still being researched at this point?

You can still get an antibody test at any time. The recommendation is that people who were naturally infected should still get the vaccine because you don’t know whether you got a full immune response or just a glancing blow. The vaccine artificially simulates a full blown Covid infection which your body’s immune system responds to. It’s engineered to provide a high enough level of immune system response to make you immune to future infection. If you got a glancing blow of a natural infection you may not have had a full response so the immunity isn’t as strong or doesn’t last as long.

There was some research into only recommending one dose to those naturally infected as a booster to their natural immunity but the US is still recommending the full 2 doses.

 

[BrianLo]

I think we’re seeing vaccinations really starting to make headway, we are quickly approaching that “Magic 40%” of people starting vaccinations that started the decrease in cases nationwide in Israel. Which should hopefully take hold next week. Cases in NY, NJ and MI are already going down but other Great Lake States like IL, MN and my state WI have slowly been creaping up. Here’s WI’s cases:

View attachment 547466It’s a little hard to tell but yesterday was the first time in over a week cases decreased, if the 40% hypothesis is correct cases should flatline in my state this week because here’s our vaccination charts, first partially vaccinated:

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And fully vaccinated:
View attachment 547469Cases have flattened nationwide, we should begin seeing them drop sometime in the next 14 days, however the SE US is significantly behind the natl average and still at risk of a surge so that might hamper results.

*All charts taken from the WI DHS site.

Absolutely. For the first time ever Canada has crept past the US in daily cases adjusted for population. Sure, it's approaching a peak and the US is just near its usual baseline, but this is the power of vaccines.

I think we are seeing that 10-15% of vaccine rates do not do squat for spread (apart from protecting the very high risk populations vaccinated). 30%+ seems to be acting as a mild break and preventing an all out wave (probably already 40% accounting for the significant natural immunity, particularly in the US). Then we get major downward pressure as things approach 50%-60%.

I think the vaccine rate, for a country of its size, is the one thing the US has been very successful with.

 

[mmascari]

That is what is sad about our world in 2021 - people are so used to being able to find media sources that cater to only what they want to hear that they are incapable of accepting any reality that doesn't fit their personal desires, even if it puts their safety at risk.

Yes, this pandemic has highlighted the true dangers that social media and the internet have created. The social media echo chamber is one of the biggest threats to our society.

It’s more than that on its own though. These sites have been around for the entire web age. I mean, sure they look much better these days, more like trusted sites. And social media does more to wash them as legitimate sources instead of obviously bogus. But a lot of the issue comes back to trusted people, people elevated for whatever purpose, doesn’t even need to be related to the topic, adding their support to crazy stuff. That mainstreaming of dubious information is a real problem. Especially by people you’re sure don’t really believe it but say it’s part of a performance, or worse, maybe do believe it.


How many crazy Disney conspiracy sites are there? If some former executive or Disney star started to push one of them, people would believe it.

 

[DC0703]

It’s more than that on its own though. These sites have been around for the entire web age. I mean, sure they look much better these days, more like trusted sites. And social media does more to wash them as legitimate sources instead of obviously bogus. But a lot of the issue comes back to trusted people, people elevated for whatever purpose, doesn’t even need to be related to the topic, adding their support to crazy stuff. That mainstreaming of dubious information is a real problem. Especially by people you’re sure don’t really believe it but say it’s part of a performance, or worse, maybe do believe it.


How many crazy Disney conspiracy sites are there? If some former executive or Disney star started to push one of them, people would believe it.

I agree. Even before the pandemic, this was on a sharp increase. But the pandemic has caused the elevation of misinformation to truly spiral out of control.

I am regularly shocked at some of the things I see my acquaintances and family members posting on social media. These are people I always thought highly of. I struggle to figure out how to combat the nonsense I see/hear, or if it is even worth it, since people who believe conspiracy theories will usually turn a deaf ear to actual hard data or reputable sources.

Just yesterday, on a phone call, I heard my 74-year-old mother-in-law explain calmly that the Pfizer vaccine is not really a vaccine and that vitamins and getting good sleep are enough to ward off COVID.

 

[GimpYancIent]

It’s more than that on its own though. These sites have been around for the entire web age. I mean, sure they look much better these days, more like trusted sites. And social media does more to wash them as legitimate sources instead of obviously bogus. But a lot of the issue comes back to trusted people, people elevated for whatever purpose, doesn’t even need to be related to the topic, adding their support to crazy stuff. That mainstreaming of dubious information is a real problem. Especially by people you’re sure don’t really believe it but say it’s part of a performance, or worse, maybe do believe it.


How many crazy Disney conspiracy sites are there? If some former executive or Disney star started to push one of them, people would believe it.

You have forgotten to mention all the self appointed fact checkers, well, that simply don't know their facts and don't have a clue how to search for them so they make them up.

 

[DCBaker]

Current Florida vaccine report -

 

[celluloid]

The park playgrounds and areas similar are the next move to reopen if/as things continue to get better.

 

[seascape]

You can still get an antibody test at any time. The recommendation is that people who were naturally infected should still get the vaccine because you don’t know whether you got a full immune response or just a glancing blow. The vaccine artificially simulates a full blown Covid infection which your body’s immune system responds to. It’s engineered to provide a high enough level of immune system response to make you immune to future infection. If you got a glancing blow of a natural infection you may not have had a full response so the immunity isn’t as strong or doesn’t last as long.

There was some research into only recommending one dose to those naturally infected as a booster to their natural immunity but the US is still recommending the full 2 doses.

One of my wife's doctors got Covid19 last February. He has been tested monthly fir antibodies and as of last week he still has them. I think it's pretty sure that most people who have recovered from Covid19 are still protected based on what her doctor told us. I still took the Pfizer vaccine so I could get the CDC card and travel but I would have been willing to wait if the CDC used science and only asked for the antibodies test. I hope everyone follows the science and takes the vaccine if they haven't had Covid19.

 

[correcaminos]

One of my wife's doctors got Covid19 last February. He has been tested monthly fir antibodies and as of last week he still has them. I think it's pretty sure that most people who have recovered from Covid19 are still protected based on what her doctor told us. I still took the Pfizer vaccine so I could get the CDC card and travel but I would have been willing to wait if the CDC used science and only asked for the antibodies test. I hope everyone follows the science and takes the vaccine if they haven't had Covid19.

I hope everyone takes the vaccine even if they had covid.

 

[seascape]

I hope everyone takes the vaccine even if they had covid.

I say take it but if you recovered from it and you don't need to travel I would rather they wait until supply greatly exceeds demand. I would have but the CDC said I should take it even though I have antibodies and make others with no protection wait.

 

[GoofGoof]

One of my wife's doctors got Covid19 last February. He has been tested monthly fir antibodies and as of last week he still has them. I think it's pretty sure that most people who have recovered from Covid19 are still protected based on what her doctor told us. I still took the Pfizer vaccine so I could get the CDC card and travel but I would have been willing to wait if the CDC used science and only asked for the antibodies test. I hope everyone follows the science and takes the vaccine if they haven't had Covid19.

The science is showing that not everyone who was naturally infected has lasting antibodies, particularly if the infection was mild. The CDC did a study on this. For the attached article:

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — A First Coast News viewer, posed an important question to our Vaccine Team this week. "Why in the world would you need the vaccine if you already have the COVID antibodies," Carol asked.
Infectious Disease Specialist, Dr. Mohammed Reza says, "Great question, Carol." Then he brings up a study published by the CDC. He says the study looked at frontline medical workers who got COVID. Then there were monitored for six months. Dr. Reza says, "Their antibodies, the cells help to prevent you from catching the virus. they were no longer detectable after just two months. This was seen more so with people who had mild to asymptomatic infection initially."

So “following the science” would be everyone taking the vaccine whether they were naturally infected or not. Why would anyone want to go through the hassle of getting multiple antibody tests when they can just get the vaccine? Seems like a lot of extra work for no benefit to me.

Questions Answered | If you have COVID antibodies, why get the vaccine?

A First Coast News viewer asked this question and our Vaccine Team spoke with health officials to answer it.

www.firstcoastnews.com

 

[seascape]

The science is showing that not everyone who was naturally infected has lasting antibodies, particularly if the infection was mild. The CDC did a study on this. For the attached article:

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — A First Coast News viewer, posed an important question to our Vaccine Team this week. "Why in the world would you need the vaccine if you already have the COVID antibodies," Carol asked.
Infectious Disease Specialist, Dr. Mohammed Reza says, "Great question, Carol." Then he brings up a study published by the CDC. He says the study looked at frontline medical workers who got COVID. Then there were monitored for six months. Dr. Reza says, "Their antibodies, the cells help to prevent you from catching the virus. they were no longer detectable after just two months. This was seen more so with people who had mild to asymptomatic infection initially."

So “following the science” would be everyone taking the vaccine whether they were naturally infected or not. Why would anyone want to go through the hassle of getting multiple antibody tests when they can just get the vaccine? Seems like a lot of extra work for no benefit to me.

Questions Answered | If you have COVID antibodies, why get the vaccine?

A First Coast News viewer asked this question and our Vaccine Team spoke with health officials to answer it.

www.firstcoastnews.com

The antibody test is a simple blood test. Something I get every 3 to 4 months. I am only saying I would rather have everyone who travels tested for antibodies than just say you are fine for a year if you take the vaccine. Now the Covid19 test was a big pain in the nose.

 

[GoofGoof]

I say take it but if you recovered from it and you don't need to travel I would rather they wait until supply greatly exceeds demand. I would have but the CDC said I should take it even though I have antibodies and make others with no protection wait.

I think that’s a fair plan. You have some level of immunity from natural infection which is better than no immunity. Eventually everyone should get the vaccine to be safe. We are a week away from vaccines being open to anyone who wants one everywhere.

On the travel front, so far outside of a few cruiselines departing outside of the US I haven‘t seen anywhere that proof of vaccine is required for travel. There’s a lot of speculation it will be required for certain other activities and has been implemented for baseball in NY and several other places I’ve seen. When I got my second shot the girl in Rite Aid told me to keep the card in a safe place because we will all need it for travel soon. I think there’s growing consensus that it could be required sometime soon. I’m skeptical it will happen widespread. It will be interesting to see.

 

[GoofGoof]

The antibody test is a simple blood test. Something I get every 3 to 4 months. I am only saying I would rather have everyone who travels tested for antibodies than just say you are fine for a year if you take the vaccine. Now the Covid19 test was a big pain in the nose.

I’d rather just get the vaccine once and be done than go back for multiple blood tests. It takes longer to give blood for a blood test than get the vaccine. The longest part of the process was getting the appointment.

 

[Touchdown]

Also, the vaccine is not in short supply anymore in this country. You aren’t giving your shot to someone else anymore, that’s no longer a valid argument of previous covid + people have against getting vaccinated.

 

[GoofGoof]

Also, the vaccine is not in short supply anymore in this country. You aren’t giving your shot to someone else anymore, that’s no longer a valid argument of previous covid + people have against getting vaccinated.

I don't think it’s any coincidence that the FDA said they don’t need to bring in the whole independent panel and do a full blown review to amend Pfizer’s EUA for kids 12-15. If there was still an extreme shortage of vaccines I think they would have potentially delayed that approval to get adults done first. As it stands the review will probably only take a few weeks and could be approved as soon as May 1. That adds 20M additional people to the eligible pool just as we are starting to face running out of candidates in certain areas.

 

[seascape]

I think that’s a fair plan. You have some level of immunity from natural infection which is better than no immunity. Eventually everyone should get the vaccine to be safe. We are a week away from vanes being open to anyone who wants one everywhere.

On the travel front, so far outside of a few cruiselines departing outside of the US I haven seen anywhere that proof of vaccine is required for travel. There’s a lot of speculation it will be required for certain other activities and has been implemented for baseball in NY and several other places I’ve seen. When I got my second shot the girl in Rite Aid told me to keep the card in a safe place because we will all need it for travel soon. I think there’s growing consensus that it could be required sometime soon. I’m skeptical it will happen widespread. It will be interesting to see.

I don't care if there is a legal requirement or not for the vaccine and or antibodies but there is a moral requirement to follow recommendations. I could have traveled over the past year and gotten away with it but if I did, I would have been immoral without quarantining and my wife couldn't take that much time off.

 

[Touchdown]

The only way vaccine passports become a thing for domestic stuff is if we can’t knock cases down to (essentially) zero. I still think we can and will do this, probably by the 4th of July if cases start to downturn this week like everyone thinks it will. Internationally, I expect vaccines to be required for travelers through 2022 at the earliest.

 

[GoofGoof]

The only way vaccine passports become a thing for domestic stuff is if we can’t knock cases down to (essentially) zero. I still think we can and will do this, probably by the 4th of July if cases start to downturn this week like everyone thinks it will. Internationally, I expect vaccines to be required for travelers through 2022 at the earliest.

You and I are 100% on the same page here. Plan A is we finally whip this thing and there’s no need for vaccine passports. If that doesn’t happen then move to plan B. For international travel it’s a bit trickier because not all parts of the world are on the same timetable for vaccines.