Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[sullyinMT]

CNN is reporting that the Biden administration will release every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office, instead of holding back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available.

"The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible. He supports releasing available doses immediately, and believes the government should stop holding back vaccine supply so we can get more shots in Americans' arms now," said TJ Ducklo, a spokesman for Biden's transition. "He will share additional details next week on how his Administration will begin releasing available doses when he assumes office on January 20th."

Exclusive: Biden will release nearly all available vaccine doses in break from Trump administration policy of holding back stock for second dose

President-elect Joe Biden will aim to release nearly every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office, a break with the Trump administration's strategy of holding back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available.

www.cnn.com

I wonder if there is nuance between “release” and “distribute” regarding leaving the deep freeze warehouses. If manufacturing keeps up, end point distribution is obviously our limiting factor right now.

More details will need to be elucidated, like additional distribution sites and who will staff said sites. My wife and I were talking about this just last night. It makes sense to distribute Pfizer to universities and hospitals with deep freeze capabilities and ear mark Moderna to retail pharmacies and other approved outlets so long as their standard freezers have temp monitoring devices installed.

It sounds great on paper, I just wonder what will meaningfully change with respect to actual shots in arms.

 

[danlb_2000]

Last I checked the CDC data (a minute ago), NJ wasn't doing so hot in the other metrics outside of vaccinations. Clear #1 in cases per 100k in the last 7 days (over double FL even though FL has had a pretty significant increase from November). I'm guessing you aren't giving Governor Murphy insulting nicknames.

But as far as vaccinations go, pretty much all of the higher population States are in the same range for 1st shot per 100k.

Maybe not doing so good at the moment, but NJ its now #34 on the list of overall cases by population. Not bad for a state that got hit really hard early on.

 

[carolina_yankee]

Not so sure this is a good idea at this point since the holdup at the moment isn't due to lack of supply.

I think it is and it isn't. Places around here are running out of supply. I was supposed to be vaccinated this week but got canceled because vaccines ran out. My understanding is the the state isn't stockpiling, but placing orders that are shipped directly to sites. I don't know how much of the issue is balancing our allotment with other starts, or under-ordering.

Certainly there are places, here included, where supply may exceed demand (or ability to inoculate).

I'm OK with releasing more doses as long as we are confident in the pipeline keeping the 2nd dose coming.

 

[danlb_2000]

I think it is and it isn't. Places around here are running out of supply. I was supposed to be vaccinated this week but got canceled because vaccines ran out. My understanding is the the state isn't stockpiling, but placing orders that are shipped directly to sites. I don't know how much of the issue is balancing our allotment with other starts, or under-ordering.

Certainly there are places, here included, where supply may exceed demand (or ability to inoculate).

I'm OK with releasing more doses as long as we are confident in the pipeline keeping the 2nd dose coming.

Yeah, I would agree with that. I would want to see the vaccine only released to places where they are keeping up the administration. The if the rate of administration isn't keeping up with the rate of supply, there is no point in increasing the rate of supply.

 

[sullyinMT]

Yeah, I would agree with that. I would want to see the vaccine only released to places where they are keeping up the administration. The if the rate of administration isn't keeping up with the rate of supply, there is no point in increasing the rate of supply.

That goes both ways. Leadership failures shouldn’t be a way to “punish” the populace of that area. Delay or modify orders, sure, but the incoming task force should have an educational component. Operating like a third party consultant, they can offer insight and teaching opportunities to get all areas “up to speed.” The current OWS should have had that, too, but day late and dollar short and all that.

Full shutting off of the valve would only cause an underserved set of pockets.

 

[DisneyCane]

Maybe not doing so good at the moment, but NJ its now #34 on the list of overall cases by population. Not bad for a state that got hit really hard early on.

The testing capacity early on means that a much higher percentage of actual cases were missed in those states where the early huge outbreaks occurred. There's a reason NJ has a much higher case fatality rate than FL (over double) and it isn't because there was a deadlier strain spreading there.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Last I checked the CDC data (a minute ago), NJ wasn't doing so hot in the other metrics outside of vaccinations. Clear #1 in cases per 100k in the last 7 days (over double FL even though FL has had a pretty significant increase from November). I'm guessing you aren't giving Governor Murphy insulting nicknames.

But as far as vaccinations go, pretty much all of the higher population States are in the same range for 1st shot per 100k.

Since we have the politics tag here...and I can cut it to the bone:

We have our problems...there have been pockets of disobedience. Notably in the beach house belt.
New York City suburbs are a problem (me...work)...Philly suburbs (me...work and live) are a problem...

But our governor (who is Goldman rich man I didn’t have much love for prior)...has worked 20 hour days for almost a year (while undergoing cancer treatment) and hasn’t behaved like a buffoon promoting people who have been proven dead wrong in front of a camera.

Not one call or presser with Non-Dr. Scott Atlas. Not one second wasted playing the fool.

I’ll stand on that guy’s team. We all can do better and have struggles.

Good day.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The testing capacity early on means that a much higher percentage of actual cases were missed in those states where the early huge outbreaks occurred. There's a reason NJ has a much higher case fatality rate than FL (over double) and it isn't because there was a deadlier strain spreading there.

The reason why we have a much higher fatality rate is because we got slammed and had to dig our way out...

Florida has benefited from the lessons paid in the blood of workers ( not I...I buy meals meals/coffee for anyone I see out in scrubs when I’m out working and will forever most likely) and people here because the treatment and lessons have evolved.

You really need to forget this “Florida has it figured out” nonsense and take a walk on the beach. And abandon anything that looks like it alludes back to tag lines from the worst American(s) in leadership in modern US history.

 

[DisneyCane]

More details to be released next week the article said. I am betting that if the second dose is not readily available it won’t happen. It’s not going to be a vaccinate all then hope second doses are there at the time. DeSantis had a whole different view on it.
If Biden says second doses don’t matter.. just get everyone a first dose, I’ll be the first here calling him out. Won’t happen though because he follows the science.

Find me the quote where Desantis said the second dose doesn't matter please. The only actual quote I've found in an article that said he suggested a one dose approach may be enough was:

“Just get as many doses out there,” the Governor said during a mental-health roundtable in Tampa on Friday. “I’m not sure that Pfizer would agree or FDA would agree, but I think just the point is, getting that first does out really does make a difference, and I think you’ll see that.”

Since he calls it the "first dose," it doesn't appear that he is saying the second dose doesn't matter.

 

[DisneyCane]

The reason why we have a much higher fatality rate is because we got slammed and had to dig our way out...

Florida has benefited from the lessons paid in the blood of workers ( not I...I buy meals meals/coffee for anyone I see out in scrubs when I’m out working and will forever most likely) and people here because the treatment and lessons have evolved.

You really need to forget this “Florida has it figured out” nonsense and take a walk on the beach. And abandon anything that looks like it alludes back to tag lines the worst American(s) in leadership in modern US history.

Stop putting words in my mouth that I said that Florida had or has anything figured out. Florida is allowing many more freedoms and the numbers aren't that much worse overall than States that allow much less freedom, especially considering the elderly skewed population.

As I said a few weeks ago, the only thing that is figured out is that if you have severe enough restrictions in place, the case numbers will get a lot lower while the restrictions are in place. I don't dispute that fact, I just disagree with the trade offs from an economic and freedom standpoint that those restrictions require.

 

[danlb_2000]

That goes both ways. Leadership failures shouldn’t be a way to “punish” the populace of that area. Delay or modify orders, sure, but the incoming task force should have an educational component. Operating like a third party consultant, they can offer insight and teaching opportunities to get all areas “up to speed.” The current OWS should have had that, too, but day late and dollar short and all that.

Full shutting off of the valve would only cause an underserved set of pockets.

I am not talking about withholding the vaccine to punish anyone, I am talking about matching the distribution to that ability of a state to administer it. As the states get better at administering they can increase the rate of distribution. I am hoping the new administration will work closer with the state to be sure they have what they need to ramp up the administration of the vaccine.

 

[Flynnwriter]

DIsney. Do the right thing and close for a month. Pay all your cast members. And see where we are in a month.

 

[sullyinMT]

I am not talking about withholding the vaccine to punish anyone, I am talking about matching the distribution to that ability of a state to administer it. As the states get better at administering they can increase the rate of distribution. I am hoping the new administration will work closer with the state to be sure they have what they need to ramp up the administration of the vaccine.

I didn’t think so ultimately. Just in case others did read it that way. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[sullyinMT]

Sitting in observation room now, post dose #2, we’ll see how I feel through the weekend.
Easy breezy CoverGirl.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

DIsney. Do the right thing and close for a month. Pay all your cast members. And see where we are in a month.

I needed this

Not that you’re wrong...I think it would be a fantastic longterm PR move

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sitting in observation room now, post dose #2, we’ll see how I feel through the weekend.
Easy breezy CoverGirl.

Christie Brinkley???

What?

What just happened? I blacked out there

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So, it seems Biden is planning to do what people on here were calling Desantis a moron for considering doing a few weeks ago. I wonder if we'll see the same criticism.

He’s a moron...that’s not wise.

Both are over spray tanned

 

[Disney Experience]

Sitting in observation room now, post dose #2, we’ll see how I feel through the weekend.
Easy breezy CoverGirl.

Yep. I will be interested in how you feel tomorrow.

Day of second shot was like first shot for me. Day after is when I had the mild immune system response/ symptoms. Aches, mild tiredness, chills, and a short term very mild fever(100.3)

 

[marni1971]

Accusing someone who plans to do what they're allowed to do while taking all recommended precautions of "killing people" seems heavy-handed.

Someone did that ?!

 

[Bob Harlem]

Stop putting words in my mouth that I said that Florida had or has anything figured out. Florida is allowing many more freedoms and the numbers aren't that much worse overall than States that allow much less freedom, especially considering the elderly skewed population.

As I said a few weeks ago, the only thing that is figured out is that if you have severe enough restrictions in place, the case numbers will get a lot lower while the restrictions are in place. I don't dispute that fact, I just disagree with the trade offs from an economic and freedom standpoint that those restrictions require.

After I've been traveling all over the US and parts of the UK since June, Florida has indeed the most practical approach from what I can tell. It remains average in both cases per capita and deaths per capita, even over some other states that have had much stricter rules. People in Florida are generally doing more than there own than I saw in California or the UK with lockdowns. (Exception being Miami)