Sirwalterraleigh
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I blame those that followed the ramblings of king Lear...the mark is permanent. Nobody can claim ignorance.
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I blame those that followed the ramblings of king Lear...the mark is permanent. Nobody can claim ignorance.
_caleb
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States are doing the best they can (which isn’t always very good), but this is the problem in our country- every State trying to solve the problem individually rather than working together in a more, um, United way.
_caleb
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Just adding my agreement with what you were saying.Right. That's why the rest of my post said I don't blame the states in this.
Heppenheimer
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The modern day adaptation you just referenced almost writes itself, but who would fill the Cordelia role? Mitt Romney?
ppete1975
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I want the shot so that i can just feel safer leaving the house. I wont change anything but ill at least feel a bit easier about leaving my home.
I do feel like I'm kind of a super-hero even after my first dose. I keep saying stuff like "don't worry, I'll go in the store, I've been vaccinated".
( I'm kidding really. again, still following guidelines, don't worry!)
sullyinMT
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Per capita vaccinations per the CDC website are currently on par in NY, NJ, FL and CA. Only one would I classify as a close executive branch ally of the (soon to be) past administration. That garbage needs to stop, like, yesterday. Each state is doing what it can, and SD and WV are apparently our paradigm of hope (go figure).
Also, while near and short term I don't think anyone reasonable would argue that some level of mitigation is going to be necessary. But all along we were told that vaccines = a slow return to normal. If we're really going to lambast someone for saying that there is comfort in going to a restaurant at 25-50% capacity, especially a large chain dining room, or head to a boutique or department store instead of the essential grocery store, WITH A MASK, 2-3 weeks after last dose. Or have a few people in their back yard for a BBQ (maybe they're all vaccinated because they're medical co-workers), or have lunch with colleagues again (again, likely all or large majority vaccinated), then you are going to have a hard time selling the point of the vaccine to the general public.
@Touchdown and others I've seen in here with the same/similar thought pattern are exactly right. If being vaccinated means returning to life UNDER CURRENT PROTOCOLS/RESTRICTIONS, and a wait and see for when we can loosen those restrictions, that is the point that has been sold to the world's population (at least the news I've read in the US, UK, and Canada). Any other beating down of that mentality is the changing of the goalposts so often brought up here and out in the world.
Also, while near and short term I don't think anyone reasonable would argue that some level of mitigation is going to be necessary. But all along we were told that vaccines = a slow return to normal. If we're really going to lambast someone for saying that there is comfort in going to a restaurant at 25-50% capacity, especially a large chain dining room, or head to a boutique or department store instead of the essential grocery store, WITH A MASK, 2-3 weeks after last dose. Or have a few people in their back yard for a BBQ (maybe they're all vaccinated because they're medical co-workers), or have lunch with colleagues again (again, likely all or large majority vaccinated), then you are going to have a hard time selling the point of the vaccine to the general public.
@Touchdown and others I've seen in here with the same/similar thought pattern are exactly right. If being vaccinated means returning to life UNDER CURRENT PROTOCOLS/RESTRICTIONS, and a wait and see for when we can loosen those restrictions, that is the point that has been sold to the world's population (at least the news I've read in the US, UK, and Canada). Any other beating down of that mentality is the changing of the goalposts so often brought up here and out in the world.
Sirwalterraleigh
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...god help us all.
The guy that ran toys r us out of business. Who’s sick enough to bleed a toy store?!?
Sirwalterraleigh
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Fair...if we’re talking about “just” vaccinations...
I tend to be a “forest” kinda guy...not a tree. It’s a curse
Disney Experience
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Pfizer had an animal study done some time ago that showed in animals that were vaccinated and challenged with the covid virus there was no trace of virus in the nasal passages or lungs. This suggests that transmission of the virus from the vaccinated to others is at least less likely if not likely at all.
Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Data from Preclinical Studies of mRNA-based Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 | Pfizer
Immunization of non-human primates (rhesus macaques) with BNT162b2, a nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (modRNA) candidate that expresses the SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein, resulted in strong anti-viral effects against an infectious SARS-CoV-2 challenge BNT162b2 immunization prevented lung...
www.pfizer.com
sullyinMT
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And my response was to one tree. The "how we're doing vaccinating the forest" tree.Fair...if we’re talking about “just” vaccinations...
I tend to be a “forest” kinda guy...not a tree. It’s a curse
In this regard, I'm actually kind of happy there is still a Federalist response. So long as we learn quickly from each other, that was the whole point of our sovereign state system. We should be looking at what each state is doing well. And what we can adapt to our situation. ND and SD have a lot to teach my dear MT, who in all fairness isn't far behind. The thing we lack that they don't is a true teaching institution of a hospital. Here in MT, I'm actually impressed with the outreach we've had with our IHS facilities (8 of the 10 tribes elected to receive allotment from IHS over state allocation).
In FL, there is apparently a push to get retail pharmacies involved very soon. And churches in areas where appropriate or where community leadership has suggested that it may help with trust issues. If that isn't leadership, in this one area, then what is? Mistakes have been made, but I'm still one to give credit where it's due. If we've learned anything in the past 10(?) weeks minimum, it's that credit should be given when earned.
In Florida seniors 65+ are getting theirs at the same time as health care workers. I do agree with all of your points with what you are starting to do. I know that I've been finding myself doing more things but still being cautious. I'm still not 100% sure that I received the actual vaccine but I'm 99.99% sure that I did based on how I felt after. I'm still not sure about flying on the plane myself.
I need to worry about family members still that hasn't received the vaccine. They don't know enough yet to know if we can be silent carriers after we get the vaccine. I'm supposed to notify the center if I'm exposed then I get moved into a different study group for them to do additional tests on me. My mom has received her first dose and should be getting her second in about 2 weeks. I'm trying to get my son to register to get his done but his hospital doesn't have any currently and he doesn't know if they have a waiting list.
Thank you for whatever you do in the hospital. I'm sure it has to be a very stressful time in there. I know that my son is tired everyday that he comes home from trying to everything together for the front line people.
Chi84
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Excellent post. For some, nothing will ever be good enough. That's fine, they're entitled to their opinion, although I wish they would ease up on the rhetoric. Accusing someone who plans to do what they're allowed to do while taking all recommended precautions of "killing people" seems heavy-handed.
After getting the vaccine, I plan to follow @Touchdown in doing the things I've been avoiding all these months, but obeying all government mandates and rules set out by businesses. When those mandates ease up, so will I.
From the reports I've been reading, there is every reason to believe that the vaccine will prevent transmission as well as infection. Until those studies are done, and until the vaccine is available for anyone who wants it, I support the current restrictions. But nothing will ever be 100% safe. Those who get the vaccine and are still worried about getting COVID from another vaccinated person will never have enough restrictions. Those who refuse to get the vaccine have no business telling anyone else what to do.
CNN is reporting that the Biden administration will release every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office, instead of holding back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available.
"The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible. He supports releasing available doses immediately, and believes the government should stop holding back vaccine supply so we can get more shots in Americans' arms now," said TJ Ducklo, a spokesman for Biden's transition. "He will share additional details next week on how his Administration will begin releasing available doses when he assumes office on January 20th."
www.cnn.com
"The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible. He supports releasing available doses immediately, and believes the government should stop holding back vaccine supply so we can get more shots in Americans' arms now," said TJ Ducklo, a spokesman for Biden's transition. "He will share additional details next week on how his Administration will begin releasing available doses when he assumes office on January 20th."
Exclusive: Biden will release nearly all available vaccine doses in break from Trump administration policy of holding back stock for second dose
President-elect Joe Biden will aim to release nearly every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office, a break with the Trump administration's strategy of holding back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available.
www.cnn.com
DisneyCane
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Fair...if we’re talking about “just” vaccinations...
I tend to be a “forest” kinda guy...not a tree. It’s a curse
Last I checked the CDC data (a minute ago), NJ wasn't doing so hot in the other metrics outside of vaccinations. Clear #1 in cases per 100k in the last 7 days (over double FL even though FL has had a pretty significant increase from November). I'm guessing you aren't giving Governor Murphy insulting nicknames.
But as far as vaccinations go, pretty much all of the higher population States are in the same range for 1st shot per 100k.
danlb_2000
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CNN is reporting that the Biden administration will release every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office, instead of holding back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available.
"The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible. He supports releasing available doses immediately, and believes the government should stop holding back vaccine supply so we can get more shots in Americans' arms now," said TJ Ducklo, a spokesman for Biden's transition. "He will share additional details next week on how his Administration will begin releasing available doses when he assumes office on January 20th."
Exclusive: Biden will release nearly all available vaccine doses in break from Trump administration policy of holding back stock for second dose
President-elect Joe Biden will aim to release nearly every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office, a break with the Trump administration's strategy of holding back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available.
Not so sure this is a good idea at this point since the holdup at the moment isn't due to lack of supply.
DisneyCane
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CNN is reporting that the Biden administration will release every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office, instead of holding back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available.
"The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible. He supports releasing available doses immediately, and believes the government should stop holding back vaccine supply so we can get more shots in Americans' arms now," said TJ Ducklo, a spokesman for Biden's transition. "He will share additional details next week on how his Administration will begin releasing available doses when he assumes office on January 20th."
Exclusive: Biden will release nearly all available vaccine doses in break from Trump administration policy of holding back stock for second dose
President-elect Joe Biden will aim to release nearly every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office, a break with the Trump administration's strategy of holding back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available.
So, it seems Biden is planning to do what people on here were calling Desantis a moron for considering doing a few weeks ago. I wonder if we'll see the same criticism.
HarperRose
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Ten months later and we are still setting records across all metrics.
DisneyDebRob
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More details to be released next week the article said. I am betting that if the second dose is not readily available it won’t happen. It’s not going to be a vaccinate all then hope second doses are there at the time. DeSantis had a whole different view on it.
If Biden says second doses don’t matter.. just get everyone a first dose, I’ll be the first here calling him out. Won’t happen though because he follows the science.
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