Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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TrainsOfDisney

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After I've been traveling all over the US and parts of the UK since June, Florida has indeed the most practical approach from what I can tell. It remains average in both cases per capita and deaths per capita, even over some other states that have had much stricter rules. People in Florida are generally doing more than there own than I saw in California or the UK with lockdowns. (Exception being Miami)
I can’t speak for Florida but what I’m seeing in other southern states is that it puts businesses in a tough place where they have to choose how to operate.

Since I don’t know how any given business will actually be operating, I pretty much avoid them all.

If there were stricter rules in place, I would feel more comfortable going out and shopping local, but instead I’m ordering everything online and having it delivered.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Find me the quote where Desantis said the second dose doesn't matter please. The only actual quote I've found in an article that said he suggested a one dose approach may be enough was:

“Just get as many doses out there,” the Governor said during a mental-health roundtable in Tampa on Friday. “I’m not sure that Pfizer would agree or FDA would agree, but I think just the point is, getting that first does out really does make a difference, and I think you’ll see that.”

Since he calls it the "first dose," it doesn't appear that he is saying the second dose doesn't matter.
Come on, your smarter then that. Sometimes, especially the last few years, you have to read between the lines. It’s not what they say, it’s what they don’t say. He started that one dose talk right when people in our leadership was bringing it up. Here’s one of many articles that Desantis was referencing. From Orlando weekly.

 

JoeCamel

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After I've been traveling all over the US and parts of the UK since June, Florida has indeed the most practical approach from what I can tell. It remains average in both cases per capita and deaths per capita, even over some other states that have had much stricter rules. People in Florida are generally doing more than there own than I saw in California or the UK with lockdowns. (Exception being Miami)
Ignoring the soaring Florida case rate or the high positivity rate? No, Florida is not headed in the right direction not OK by any means.
 

seabreezept813

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I only trust the Pfizer vaccine and so does he.. We don’t even trust the Moderna one. Pfizer has no government money trailing to it.
I wonder your reasoning. I had a discussion with my doctor about vaccines the other day because they've changed the guidance for pregnant women from don't take the vaccine to take it if you want it but we don't have data to show you. She specifically told me she would advise her patients to take the J&J vaccine, but not the Pfzier or Moderna vaccine because the because they are mrna, whereas J&J is being developed more similarly to the flu vaccine.
 

GoofGoof

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The testing capacity early on means that a much higher percentage of actual cases were missed in those states where the early huge outbreaks occurred. There's a reason NJ has a much higher case fatality rate than FL (over double) and it isn't because there was a deadlier strain spreading there.
The percent positive in FL has been much higher overall than NJ. We all know that high percent positive means likely community spread that’s unknown. There is no evidence to indicate there are more cases that were missed in NJ over the last 9+ months. Yes, in Mar/Apr that was true but the last 8 months flipped the other way. The fatality rate has been talked about over and over and over. If you look from May 1 to current day the deaths per capita are higher in FL. NJ got slammed early before anyone was prepared and got hit hard, especially nursing homes. Luckily for FL their first wave was delayed. We all forget that the FL Governor was refusing to lock down early on in FL (remember Spring Break 2020) and blamed all the state’s cases on people from NY. If FL had been hit hard early there is no reason to assume his reaction would have been any different with a lack of readiness. Dumb luck helped there, not a good plan.
 

Disstevefan1

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CNN is reporting that the Biden administration will release every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office, instead of holding back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available.

"The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible. He supports releasing available doses immediately, and believes the government should stop holding back vaccine supply so we can get more shots in Americans' arms now," said TJ Ducklo, a spokesman for Biden's transition. "He will share additional details next week on how his Administration will begin releasing available doses when he assumes office on January 20th."

Folks gotta relax, as CNN says, Joeys got this 😀
 

MisterPenguin

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Not accurate, but... not not accurate...

Vaccine Companies: Hey, Feds. We got 16 million doses for each state. We'll hold back half the doses for now and give them to you in three weeks for dose #2. Here, you can give the states right now 8 million doses each.​
Feds: Hey states, we got 8 million doses for you, but we'll hold back half and give it to you three weeks later for dose #2. So, here's 4 million doses.​
States: Hey citizens! we got in 4 million doses, and we're putting aside 2 million doses for long term care facilities which we promise to get around to. But for the rest, we got 1 million doses because we're holding back half for dose #2.​
 

SamusAranX

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After I've been traveling all over the US and parts of the UK since June, Florida has indeed the most practical approach from what I can tell. It remains average in both cases per capita and deaths per capita, even over some other states that have had much stricter rules. People in Florida are generally doing more than there own than I saw in California or the UK with lockdowns. (Exception being Miami)
Not my recent experience. Many here still do not wear masks in some areas, and indoor dining is unlimited capacity. I felt much safer where I was this past week then in Florida; there, they all wore masks, restaurants were voluntarily limiting who could come in for even to go ordering (which is what I did), and those who did not comply with precautions were immediately called out.
 

Jrb1979

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I'm still shocked by all of this. The amount of traveling going on and places dropping restrictions is crazy to me. Here they have only allowed curbside pickup since December 26th and only essential businesses are allowed to be open. Now that our numbers are rising and ICUs filling come next week they expect us to be back to restrictions like in the spring.
 

Disney Experience

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Not accurate, but... not not accurate...

Vaccine Companies: Hey, Feds. We got 16 million doses for each state. We'll hold back half the doses for now and give them to you in three weeks for dose #2. Here, you can give the states right now 8 million doses each.​
Feds: Hey states, we got 8 million doses for you, but we'll hold back half and give it to you three weeks later for dose #2. So, here's 4 million doses.​
States: Hey citizens! we got in 4 million doses, and we're putting aside 2 million doses for long term care facilities which we promise to get around to. But for the rest, we got 1 million doses because we're holding back half for dose #2.​
 

SamusAranX

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I don't believe that type of rhetoric is justified, especially directed against a poster who said they were going to get vaccinated and follow all CDC recommendations. In my opinion, it's the kind of sensationalism that degrades the discussion. YMMV.

Not to mention that could justify moving the goal posts
 

willtravel

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I wonder your reasoning. I had a discussion with my doctor about vaccines the other day because they've changed the guidance for pregnant women from don't take the vaccine to take it if you want it but we don't have data to show you. She specifically told me she would advise her patients to take the J&J vaccine, but not the Pfzier or Moderna vaccine because the because they are mrna, whereas J&J is being developed more similarly to the flu vaccine.

That J&J is the one I am really interested in seeing how well it works.
 
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